| Randra_Loqqet | `wave |
| There_Community | Heya |
| There_Community | 'wave |
| Randra_Loqqet | hi |
| Levi_Jones | Have a seat! |
| There_Community | Thanks for evertythihg |
| Droopy | 'wave |
| There_Community | Sorry bout the formal setup guys |
| There_Community | But it makes the chat bubbles easier to follow for all of us |
| Randra_Loqqet | np |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea |
| Viv | yes plz |
| Randra_Loqqet | plus we just cant get 12 in a standing group |
| There_Community | Yup |
| Snacks | 'back' |
| There_Community | Plus this way you can rest your tootsies, all of you :0 |
| Randra_Loqqet | hehe |
| Randra_Loqqet | our legz get tired easy |
| There_Community | Weak pixels? |
| Peter_B | wow, we are a tough crowd tonight :) |
| Randra_Loqqet | hehe |
| dove | i'm a princess |
| Viv | hehe |
| Randra_Loqqet | our splines will straighten |
| Randra_Loqqet | if we sit correctly |
| Randra_Loqqet | hoho |
| There_Community | LOL |
| Randra_Loqqet | yes you are dove ;p |
| Droopy | 'back |
| dove | :D |
| Randra_Loqqet | a BUTTERCUP |
| Viv | lol |
| dove | BUTTERCHUP |
| Randra_Loqqet | `wave hi viv |
| There_Community | Just gonna see if we can get a few more pp |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok so is this a Q & A session or more of an informal chat? |
| Viv | ok then |
| There_Community | Whatever you guys will get the most out of |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok cool. |
| There_Community | The Q/A might be easier to follow |
| Viv | randra can I Im I have a question for you |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok viv |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea we should probably start with Q/A then go from there maybe |
| There_Community | Works forme |
| Randra_Loqqet | get the basics covered |
| There_Community | Viv is passing notes anyway :) |
| Levi_Jones | have a seat |
| Randra_Loqqet | careful viv, if the teacher sees you you're busted! |
| Viv | rofl |
| Corbin | Hey look at that when your summoned me here I got EXPERT pack |
| Viv | darn |
| Corbin | cool! |
| Viv | this headset |
| Viv | lol |
| There_Community | heheh |
| Viv | just a quick question, randra its a busy gurl and not hard to find available |
| Viv | mean not easy |
| dove | only duvz get 100% access |
| Levi_Jones | Okay thank you everyone for showing up and showing the great interest! |
| Randra_Loqqet | np! |
| Loox | np |
| Viv | okies |
| Viv | thnx girl |
| There_Community | So, where to begin |
| There_Community | PLenty of good discussion on the baords |
| There_Community | boards |
| There_Community | kk |
| Randra_Loqqet | indeed |
| There_Community | ooops |
| There_Community | Let me giver you a status |
| Corbin | ok |
| Droopy | 'Clap'Clap'Clap |
| There_Community | Levi and I spent time w/DSX and PhaPhedre |
| There_Community | Last night |
| There_Community | Talked a bout a bunch of good stuff |
| There_Community | Been chattin alot with people internally today |
| There_Community | Wanted to talk more with all of you |
| There_Community | Then we are going to meet internally |
| There_Community | Designers, Leadership, Tom...and discuss a go-forward solution |
| Loox | ok |
| Randra_Loqqet | cool |
| Droopy | great! |
| There_Community | I assume many of you have seen the various posts |
| Droopy | lol |
| Snacks | yes |
| Loox | yes |
| Viv | hehe |
| Hawk | yes |
| There_Community | Here is the basics of what we are hearing |
| There_Community | 1-There has come to be a place that feels fairly free to members to explore and innovate |
| There_Community | THough there are many things to fix and add |
| There_Community | Being in the world and having the freedom to go anywhere and take things with you is important |
| There_Community | For example, dropping a couch to sit with a friend and admire a view |
| Hawk | yes |
| Snacks | yes |
| Loox | yes especially that |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea |
| There_Community | Or Or drop a mysterious book to create some fun and intrigue |
| Hawk | yes |
| Droopy | joy |
| There_Community | Or drop a new developer item you just made and leave it around the world to make some kind of marketing buzz for a new product |
| There_Community | Hey Corbin |
| Corbin | 'HandUp'HandDownCan I ask a question or would you rather I wait |
| There_Community | Ask away |
| Corbin | It has to do with dropping. |
| Corbin | You hae prob saw my posts about litter. |
| Levi_Jones | 'nod |
| Corbin | I wonder why you allow couches and stuff to be dropped int he fountains, hottubs, etc. |
| There_Community | Well, there is a p |
| There_Community | Sorry bad typist |
| There_Community | There is a related but seperate issue about what kinds of areas should be "no dropping" |
| There_Community | Something we have explored a bit, but there are lots of possibilites |
| There_Community | It is a great question |
| There_Community | It really does not make sense to let pp drop in areas that members find serene or just for relaxing |
| Corbin | But you know WHY they do it right? |
| There_Community | Say more |
| Corbin | Cause there are not enough seats |
| Viv | true |
| There_Community | In those particular areas, you mean? |
| Corbin | Yes |
| Viv | yes |
| Viv | and 2 seats |
| Corbin | there is a HUGE hottub bu my place with room for like 12 people yet only 6 can sit at a time |
| Peter_B | yes |
| Droopy | an 8 person booth |
| Corbin | antway dont let me derail you here continue |
| There_Community | So more room for peopleOK |
| There_Community | let's talk about that in a minute |
| Loox | thats one of the good thing about portazones... you can buildy our own 12 person searing arrangement and carry it with you |
| There_Community | Not blowing it off COrbin, definitley part of the discussion |
| There_Community | So we hav issue 1 which is there is a great need to caually drop objects for different reasons |
| There_Community | And droipping seating to fill in existing seating is a corner case that is a little different |
| Peter_B | 'handup |
| There_Community | Peter? |
| Peter_B | 'handdown |
| Viv | yup |
| Peter_B | question: is there any financial motivation, or purely something else? |
| Peter_B | yes, do you need to charge? |
| There_Community | Do you mean is there financial motivation for the Portazones? ie are we trying to make it part of our main revenue? |
| Levi_Jones | Droopy and Viv |
| There_Community | That eally is not part of the equatyion |
| Levi_Jones | nest |
| Levi_Jones | next |
| Droopy | 'HandUp |
| There_Community | This is not a revenue generati9ng function |
| Droopy | 'HandDown |
| Peter_B | Thanks |
| There_Community | Droopy? |
| Droopy | well first a statement |
| Randra_Loqqet | 'HandUp |
| Droopy | that dropping also provides us a way to build things to interest the rest of the community |
| Levi_Jones | Viv , Randra |
| Hawk | yes |
| Randra_Loqqet | 'HandDown |
| Viv | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| Droopy | our own way of contributing to retention in effect |
| There_Community | No question, drooopy |
| Droopy | and my question is thi: |
| There_Community | And we do not want to discourage this kind of exploration and creation |
| Droopy | based on the statements in the forum, it sounds as though "rent is not debatable on this issuse, the question of how much the "nominal rent" is up for discussion. is that true? |
| There_Community | That is certainly true |
| There_Community | We are having these discussions in the context of real potential for changes if they make sense |
| Droopy | so debating the existence of the rent is moot, how much the rent is the main concern then. |
| Corbin | Good question |
| There_Community | Not precisely |
| There_Community | THough I would love to not look at it as a drawn out debate |
| There_Community | The real issue is, what is the right combination of opportunities and pricing that fits in with the existing models in th4e world |
| There_Community | Not taken that way at all Droopy |
| Droopy | sure, I do not mean that as an attack, but I thought we needed to clear that matter up before we wasted all night on it |
| There_Community | So, we are looking at the types of PZones, the sizes, the uses, the prices |
| There_Community | All levers in the model |
| Droopy | ty |
| There_Community | Viv? |
| Snacks | 'handup |
| Viv | yes, droopy talked about , but I wanted to ask, its there looking for other choices more than the per minute fee? |
| Viv | cause its really what is bothering everyone |
| Hawk | yes |
| Corbin | yes |
| Droopy | 'HandUp |
| Loox | 'HandUpyes |
| Viv | anyother way to make ppl pay but not per-minute in world? |
| Levi_Jones | Randra, Loox, Snacks, Droopy |
| Snacks | 'handdown |
| Droopy | 'HandDown |
| There_Community | So basically, we are looking at various possibilities |
| Peter_B | yes |
| Viv | I still thinking the portazones will be a great featured but not everyone will be able to pay |
| Viv | justmy opinion |
| There_Community | But there is some basic functionality that is built and tested and we want to be careful and not jeopardize the stability of ther next release |
| Loox | 'HandDown |
| There_Community | So the question is, are there maybe different types of PZones, and some cost one thing and other cost anoth, or nothing |
| Levi_Jones | got ya Corbin |
| Corbin | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| Corbin | thnx |
| Levi_Jones | 'nod |
| Viv | I see |
| There_Community | And By the minute is a technical approach, that I think we have learned has a real bad emotional connection |
| Snacks | 'nod |
| Corbin | 'laugh |
| dove | heh |
| Hawk | yeah |
| Wildcat | yeah |
| Viv | maybe per hour will be a little bit better |
| There_Community | Actually, it is per hour |
| Viv | not good but not that bad |
| Corbin | 'clap |
| Randra_Loqqet | the problem with per hour is if you log out after the first 10 mins.. how is it charged? |
| Viv | yes randra I though in that too |
| There_Community | Basicallyu, Randra, the way it works, it is like a bank |
| There_Community | You put hours into it |
| Loox | ooooh.. good idea |
| Peter_B | YES |
| There_Community | And then while it is in the world, it decrements by the minute |
| Levi_Jones | Viv are you done with your ?? |
| Viv | yesLevi, tnx |
| Randra_Loqqet | ah ok... so its the ... ohhh ok. interesting |
| Levi_Jones | ok |
| There_Community | So once you pick it up - timer stops |
| dove | i think i like that idea better |
| Corbin | Interesting |
| Levi_Jones | after Randra is Loox |
| Randra_Loqqet | thats pretty cool. |
| Viv | yup it is |
| Randra_Loqqet | no lol |
| Randra_Loqqet | that was just responding |
| There_Community | Nice try Levi! :) |
| Randra_Loqqet | let me ask my Q ;) |
| Corbin | lol |
| Levi_Jones | Randra are you done? |
| Levi_Jones | lol |
| Randra_Loqqet | I have 2 Qs but one is quick |
| Corbin | ahoh the other is long then |
| Corbin | lol |
| Randra_Loqqet | first lets tackle the main one.. |
| Levi_Jones | got ya hawk |
| Randra_Loqqet | i personally think the PAZ's are a GREAT idea, but what bothers me is that we will have NO place to drop freely... is it possible to leave *some* areas open for free dropping, that wont require a PAZ? |
| There_Community | That is something that can be possible in the future |
| There_Community | And we would like it to |
| Hawk | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| There_Community | So this is a transition step |
| Randra_Loqqet | so what we are looking at for the sept release is PAZ only dropping for the time being |
| There_Community | Thge longer term goal is vbarious areas around the world that behave differently |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok... cool. that is the best solution in the long run IMO. |
| There_Community | This is not a trivial thing to expose, so it takes some time |
| Randra_Loqqet | sure i understand. ;) hehe |
| Randra_Loqqet | yes the ability to save layouts is great |
| There_Community | WHen that happens, PAZ (love the shortcut) will be a cool feature for lots of other reasons, but they will not be only for dropping stuff |
| Levi_Jones | LOOX |
| Viv | indeed |
| Randra_Loqqet | but kinda useless if u just want to drop 1 couch |
| Loox | i think randra had one more |
| Wildcat | 'handup |
| There_Community | Unless U use a small PAZ |
| There_Community | The issue is cost |
| Randra_Loqqet | true, but then it requires another PAZ, etc... |
| Levi_Jones | Wildcat i got ya |
| Wildcat | 'handdown |
| There_Community | Ranra, can I let Loox ask 1 and then get to your 2nd? |
| Randra_Loqqet | sure. |
| There_Community | Thx |
| There_Community | Loox? |
| Loox | hehe... |
| Loox | well first i will yield to you , TC if you want to finish your opening statement... |
| Randra_Loqqet | lol |
| There_Community | Nothing planned, Loox |
| Levi_Jones | lol |
| There_Community | Would love to keep hearing from U guys |
| There_Community | Goi ahead |
| Loox | ok... well.. i had two questions , too... so i'll just ask one now |
| There_Community | Sorry if it was not clear |
| Loox | when you first spoke, you mentioned people dropping being a problem for PAZ... im confused... isn't that the point of PAZ... isn't the only real problem pricing? |
| There_Community | Dropping is important to people |
| Randra_Loqqet | paz reduces server load tho |
| There_Community | And PAZ helps preserve that |
| Loox | i know... and i agree with them |
| Loox | ahh... ok |
| There_Community | So yes, price is the biggest issue I think |
| There_Community | Yup!!! |
| Loox | so can i ask my pricing question then? |
| Levi_Jones | hold on a sec all T_C just got an IM from TOM |
| Loox | ok... with your pay-per-hour (PPH) plan... how do you see preventing people from ok |
| Randra_Loqqet | da big cheeze |
| Viv | lol |
| Levi_Jones | lol |
| Randra_Loqqet | hehe |
| Snacks | 'grin |
| Viv | tell him hi from Viv |
| Viv | :) |
| There_Community | Loox please repeat |
| Viv | hehe |
| Randra_Loqqet | el presidentee |
| Wildcat | is this when we all go 'rumble 'rumble 'rumble |
| Loox | okay.. to rephrase.. how do you guys plan on justifying having us pay to put down our couches by time and how do you expect us to enjoy them knowing the clock is ticking... dont you see a problem with that? |
| Levi_Jones | hold on Tom is asking if he should join |
| Randra_Loqqet | sure! |
| Wildcat | sorry, no room |
| Loox | ok |
| Snacks | i think so |
| Wildcat | lol |
| Corbin | Absolutly |
| dove | heh |
| Levi_Jones | lol |
| Viv | there is room for one more |
| Hawk | yes |
| Droopy | he can sit in my lap |
| Randra_Loqqet | lol he can sit by peter |
| Viv | hehehe |
| Randra_Loqqet | there are 2 free seats |
| There_Community | Guys, sorry about that |
| Randra_Loqqet | we should charge him by the minute to sit with us tho |
| Randra_Loqqet | ;) |
| There_Community | Tom say hello |
| Corbin | ROFL Randra |
| Peter_B | hahaha! |
| Randra_Loqqet | hehe |
| Viv | lol |
| There_Community | He is out of town spreading the gospekl about There |
| Loox | '''yay |
| Randra_Loqqet | preach it brotha |
| Loox | AMEN! |
| There_Community | That he is |
| dove | ohhh i'm gonna need a copy of those articles :P |
| There_Community | So he is swamped |
| Randra_Loqqet | cool. |
| Droopy | cool |
| There_Community | But we are gonna set up a CEO chat for this weekend to follow up with him! |
| Viv | very good |
| Droopy | I will come... |
| Viv | take notes cause I will be at the beach :D |
| There_Community | Lucky Viv |
| Randra_Loqqet | sign me up for that event ;) |
| There_Community | OK Loox, please restate your Q |
| Loox | hehe.. okay |
| Viv | I ll bring my laptop so I can play |
| Corbin | Good question |
| Loox | how are you guys justifying charging us by hte hour to drop say a couch.. and how do you expect us to enjoy it knowing the clock is ticking... |
| There_Community | I think that is exactly what we are taking a hard look at maybe making changes to Loox |
| Loox | i have an idea |
| There_Community | All ears |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea, maybe a small one for benches... |
| Loox | if you do decide to stick with a payperhour PPH plan... which maybe you shouldnt... perhaps our first (free) PAZ can be of a different type.. one that is not PPH... that way we have at least some freedom to do the little things for free |
| Snacks | yes |
| Peter_B | yes |
| Corbin | yes |
| Randra_Loqqet | free of charges |
| Droopy | 'Clap'Clap'Clap |
| There_Community | I thinbk there is consensus |
| There_Community | I NEED TYPINGLESS ONS |
| Randra_Loqqet | lol |
| Loox | lol |
| Viv | maybe free for X time a day |
| Hawk | 'lol |
| There_Community | So where I was headed in the begining |
| Peter_B | good viv |
| There_Community | It seems like there are 2 categories of putting stuff into the world |
| Snacks | 'nid |
| Snacks | err. 'nod |
| Loox | i liked ur idea, too.. viv |
| There_Community | One kind is the casual dropping of a few items |
| There_Community | FOr a social event, encounter |
| There_Community | FOr usually a liumited period of time |
| There_Community | Though it might be repeated in the same spot frequently |
| Snacks | or not |
| Randra_Loqqet | but yea. |
| There_Community | The other type is kinda more related to Building |
| There_Community | Making a house |
| There_Community | Or a Garden |
| Randra_Loqqet | right |
| Droopy | landmark |
| There_Community | Or a Functional Zone of some sort |
| Hawk | yes |
| Snacks | or an industrial complex ;) |
| Loox | oh my gosh... i am liking what i am hearing so much |
| There_Community | That is more like renhting a house ofr a Zone |
| There_Community | And then either being able to afford just hangin in it |
| There_Community | Or using it to build a business or at least pay for itself |
| Loox | and both types would save when you picked them up right? |
| There_Community | Yup |
| There_Community | Great - that is what I think we were getting to |
| Loox | right... i think that is the issue Randra |
| Levi_Jones | snacks is up next BTW |
| There_Community | That is where I believcve we are headed |
| Viv | I agree randra |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea that is really the main difference here.. major construction vs dropping a small couch or whatnot. They probably need seperate pricing plans and sizes vs limitations on what you can do in each one |
| Loox | 'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap |
| Snacks | listening for the moment |
| There_Community | Snacks |
| Viv | maybe the amount of object in each PAZ |
| Peter_B | go snacks |
| Droopy | no viv please! |
| Snacks | go |
| Levi_Jones | hawk got ya |
| Droopy | I have many blocks I play with!! |
| Snacks | ok... |
| Viv | so you need to buy the big one and pay more |
| Randra_Loqqet | i dont think limiting is needed because thats what the PAZ is doing in a sense.. for the world rendering issues.. am i right TC? |
| Snacks | this is exactly the heart my question |
| There_Community | Basically Randra, yes |
| There_Community | Yes, snacks |
| There_Community | listening |
| Hawk | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| Levi_Jones | viv got ya |
| Snacks | what i want to know is simple.... will i continue to be able to drop my bench/table/be er... as i have done in the past? |
| Randra_Loqqet | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| Peter_B | good question |
| There_Community | Yes, but you will need to put down a PAZ first |
| Levi_Jones | droopy is up next |
| Corbin | Hey Levi? |
| Snacks | that is fine, but 1. will it cost me anything annd 2. will it limit me in any way compared to what i can do now? |
| Viv | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| There_Community | 1-As designed it would cost you a little |
| There_Community | But we are exploring altering that plan |
| Randra_Loqqet | 'HandUp |
| There_Community | For the errant object like a chair or bench |
| There_Community | No promises yet |
| There_Community | Still talking |
| There_Community | But I personally think something needs to address the 2 types of dropping I mentioned |
| There_Community | As for 2 |
| There_Community | The only resprtictions are as follows |
| Corbin | 'HandUp |
| There_Community | 1-only permitted to drop a few simultaneoud PAZ in the world at any 1 time per avie |
| Snacks | i only need one |
| There_Community | And there might be a limit on how long it can be in the world |
| There_Community | But that depends |
| Snacks | i need a few hours tops |
| There_Community | Right now, all objects are auto-retreived after a set period of time |
| There_Community | That will not be a prob, Snacks |
| Droopy | Me? |
| Corbin | 'HandDown |
| There_Community | Droopy? Q2? |
| Snacks | that;s all i want... the simple thing i do now that doesnt hurt anything |
| There_Community | Corbin is next |
| Snacks | (done) |
| There_Community | You had Q 2? |
| Droopy | yes |
| There_Community | I said I'd come back |
| There_Community | Then Corbin |
| Levi_Jones | randra got ya |
| Droopy | Ok with houses monthly rent comes out to around 12,000 to 15000 t$ |
| Randra_Loqqet | 'HandDown |
| Levi_Jones | viv got ya from last time |
| Droopy | will leaving a portazone out for an entire month cost more thatn the rent of a house |
| There_Community | Well, when you compare the associated functionality - what do you think? |
| Gene_Starwind | Where is the quest? |
| Droopy | at 10 there$ per minute it will cost an average of 7500 there$ for a month |
| Gene_Starwind | For this week? |
| Viv | 'HandUp'HandDown |
| Droopy | and will beta testers be given an abrevieated perioud to use the PAZ free of rent to test with? |
| There_Community | Interesting question |
| There_Community | re: free test period for PAZ |
| Corbin | YES ! |
| Droopy | I think that houses have more persmissions and functions |
| There_Community | Houses have more permissions control |
| Droopy | true... |
| There_Community | PAZ have the ability to be picked up, to retain the layout and place elsewhere |
| There_Community | They can be placed anywhere in the world, practically |
| There_Community | That is the possibility |
| Droopy | so possibly equal value based on plusses and minusses of both |
| There_Community | Please understand I am not being coy |
| Loox | which we appreciate |
| There_Community | We are working out the pricing and really trying to take into consideratin the input from the widest possible group of members |
| Droopy | I am just tossing it out for y'all to toy wityh |
| There_Community | Very helpful Droopy |
| Droopy | I would like 1 more q next round |
| There_Community | OK |
| Droopy | ty |
| There_Community | COrbin |
| There_Community | ? |
| There_Community | Your Q? |
| Corbin | I have a clubhouse |
| Corbin | I want a YARD |
| Corbin | Coming?? |
| dove | 'yay |
| There_Community | 'nod |
| Viv | oh finally that was my question |
| Corbin | Sorry Viv |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea mine too.. heh |
| Viv | oh no, not at all |
| Droopy | '''yay |
| Corbin | 'clap |
| There_Community | Expanding the zone arounf houses to include Yards/Porches is the plan. We tried to make it for this release but it was just too much to do well. |
| Viv | great! |
| There_Community | But it will be in the next release after that |
| There_Community | I agree it is critical |
| Corbin | I owuld like to be able to drop stuff (like a buggy) and have it NOT be able to be stolen by someone?? |
| Corbin | possible?? |
| There_Community | That is correct, COrbin |
| Randra_Loqqet | is there a plan yet on how far the yard will extend, and will it cover all directions or just the front. |
| There_Community | Still being disussd, but my guess is it will be all sides |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok good |
| There_Community | Hawk? |
| Hawk | yes |
| Randra_Loqqet | we like gardens and such all around heheh. I will assume the yard wont cost extra. |
| Viv | I will be happy with the front and back |
| Viv | hehe |
| Hawk | I have a concern and a question |
| There_Community | No, Randra....LOL |
| Randra_Loqqet | ;) |
| Corbin | As a followup is there ANY reason at all that the owner of a hosue would want to NO BE ABLE TO DROP items?? |
| Hawk | I like the PAZ, think it's agreat idea |
| Hawk | but I have a concern that I think is like Droopys |
| There_Community | In their own house COrbin? |
| Levi_Jones | hawk hold a sec |
| Hawk | I like to build little strcuturres that I drop for people's pleasure |
| Peter_B | 'HandUp |
| Hawk | People tell me they like them |
| Corbin | Yes I keep mine NO DROP so someone doesnt drop something when I, not there then every time I want to let my dog out I have to vchange it |
| Viv | someonedrop blocks in mine and I couldnt remove it |
| Hawk | I don't really weant to buid a house |
| Hawk | but if I have to pay rent.,I can't do it |
| There_Community | I see - yes it would be great to have ability to permit permission for you seperate from others... |
| Corbin | I see NO REASON that the owner woudl ever want to keep him or herslef from droopping in their own house |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea corbin thats an issue for me too.. owners should have full perms all the time regardless of the settings, IMO |
| There_Community | That is another great feature we would love to add |
| There_Community | Let's let Hawk ask the question? |
| Levi_Jones | and let's stay on POV for now! |
| Levi_Jones | okay? |
| Hawk | it's a technical point that maybe I don't understand |
| Hawk | if the point of a PAZ is to reudce server load to the same as a single obkect |
| Hawk | then it should be like drop[ing a counch |
| Hawk | so why require a PAZ to drop a couch if they're the same load on the server? |
| Corbin | Good question |
| There_Community | It is a bit more complex, Hawk |
| Hawk | ok |
| There_Community | Basically, we are changing the functionality overall to have the system only allow objects into the world inside a zone |
| Hatch | 'HandUp |
| There_Community | So we creted a zone that was portable |
| Hawk | ok |
| Hawk | thanks |
| Hawk | that makes it more clear |
| There_Community | Associting the object with a zone is part of why it is so much more efficient |
| Levi_Jones | hatch got u |
| Hatch | Peter was ahead of me i think. |
| Peter_B | :) |
| Corbin | But if you are having server load issues alrready what happens when you OPEN then door?? |
| Peter_B | 'handdown |
| Levi_Jones | ok can't see pweter |
| There_Community | Actuall, COrbin |
| Levi_Jones | got you both |
| There_Community | We are not having srerver load issues now |
| Hatch | Go 4 it Pete. |
| There_Community | We are seeing very high stability so far on the new cluster and witht the recent fixes |
| There_Community | It is because of opening that we are preparing to accomodate more volume |
| Corbin | good looking ahead |
| There_Community | Thx |
| Peter_B | ok, me? |
| Hatch | Yes. |
| There_Community | WILDCAT? Your Q? |
| Wildcat | okay, I think allowing objects outside of a PAZ, but setting them to expire after 2 hours accomplishes your goals and lets us drop casually |
| Corbin | For causally dropped items I think they should go when you leave the area. |
| Snacks | YES |
| Peter_B | YES! |
| There_Community | A couple of things about that Wildcat |
| Wildcat | you couldnt build a huge structure quit enough |
| There_Community | First of all, the basic technology that relates objects with zones is just so much more efficient |
| There_Community | The way objects were being dropped was not really going to scale properly |
| Wildcat | then change it |
| Levi_Jones | after Wild,,, |
| There_Community | We did actually implement auto time outs for objects and heard from a lot of you that it was a bad experience |
| Snacks | not from us casual couch droppers |
| Corbin | NOT from me |
| Levi_Jones | Viv, Randra, Droopy Peter, Hatch, Calvin |
| There_Community | That is probably true |
| Calvin_J4 | 'HandUp |
| Viv | I got my question answered already Levi, thnx |
| Wildcat | well, heres my point if someone wants something out for a long period, or a structure, they use a PAZ, but the casual couch can expire after 2 hours |
| There_Community | I see where you are headed Wilcat |
| There_Community | And I basically agree there are 2 schnarios, one that needs to feel seamless and free |
| Wildcat | yes |
| There_Community | I believe that keeping a consistenmt architectuire with PAZ for all objects is the solution' |
| Hatch | 'HandDown |
| Calvin_J4 | 'HandDown |
| There_Community | But we need to accomodate the casual dropper easily |
| Wildcat | i dont think it is from our perspective |
| There_Community | If you could drop a counch anywhere, anytime, adn it did not cost you T$ - how would that be much worse? |
| Wildcat | we wont have to mess with a PAZ |
| There_Community | And as a side effect, you could set up multiple objects and pick them up and droip them as a group wherever and whenever you wanted |
| Wildcat | or else we would have to take out the PAZ, clear out hwatever was in it before, then take out the couch |
| There_Community | Or yo8u could keep a empty one around for use in that circumstance |
| Wildcat | 'sigh |
| There_Community | But I hear you Wildcat, and this fits in witht the basic message we are hearing |
| There_Community | OK... |
| Levi_Jones | so Viv, Randra, Droopy, Peter, Hatch, and Calvin and after that we have a hard stop :-) |
| There_Community | WC - can't solve all the issues all at one, but we are trying our best |
| There_Community | Viv? |
| Viv | I pass |
| Viv | randra your turn |
| Randra_Loqqet | let droopy go before me |
| Randra_Loqqet | hehe |
| There_Community | Randra?Droppy? |
| Viv | my question was answered ;) |
| There_Community | Droopy |
| Droopy | yes |
| Droopy | I would like to know if the PAZ will have a ceiling and/or limit on # of object that can be used in it |
| There_Community | I am not certian of the height limitation |
| There_Community | But as I recall, you can go up very high |
| There_Community | I can find out |
| There_Community | And as for the # of objects |
| There_Community | The larger the PAZ, the more you can put into it |
| Corbin | What are the sizes again?? |
| Droopy | well |
| There_Community | Ranges from 5-32 |
| Droopy | only 32? :( |
| Wildcat | wow 32 isnt many |
| There_Community | There are limitation of what you can see and this is even more than is in the world currently |
| Randra_Loqqet | yea its like 16 max now isnt it |
| There_Community | Yes |
| Droopy | yes but with upwards building I can fit in so much more |
| There_Community | Well, to be fair droopy, we have to have some limitation to scale effectively |
| Droopy | ok |
| There_Community | Obviously,we will continue to improve the softweare and bulk up hardware to make these limits increase over time |
| Droopy | ty |
| There_Community | Randra |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok |
| Randra_Loqqet | i was wondering 2 things, one is.. the way the PAZ displays the things dropped in it.. do they not draw from the outside of the PAZ? or can people 20 feet away still see into it |
| There_Community | They can see in |
| Snacks | 'handup |
| There_Community | The only limitation is the normal one that will draqw the nearest objects with priority |
| Randra_Loqqet | gotcha. |
| There_Community | And avatars too |
| There_Community | Yup |
| Snacks | 'handdown |
| There_Community | And BTW we are making the poles smaller |
| Droopy | will that cause problemsd with others tryng to place their paz too close to yours? |
| There_Community | You will get messaging telling you that there is anothe zone there |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok, now we are able to completely turn off all the boundaries for the PAZ, so we see no silly fences or poles right? so it just looks like flat land. Ok thats good news. Now these builder kits that are coming with V1/Sept whatever, they work in PAZ's too right? and are they limited in the same way (re object count) |
| There_Community | They are for all zones |
| There_Community | And they are limites the same way as other objects' |
| Randra_Loqqet | ok.. cool. tnx, i'm done ;) |
| There_Community | Peter? |
| Peter_B | Why cant snacks have his couch out for free, for say 3 hours? It's obviously not a house... why charge him? |
| Corbin | 'HandUp |
| Calvin_J4 | lol |
| There_Community | I understand completely philosophically |
| Snacks | lol... thank you, peter_b |
| There_Community | But the technical reality is that we need to migrate to the new way of placing objects |
| There_Community | Better architecture for scale |
| Wildcat | then change the technology |
| There_Community | But the PAZ is the solution so you can still drop |
| There_Community | The only drag is taking out the PAZX first |
| Levi_Jones | hatch, calvin and than we need to go ;-( |
| Randra_Loqqet | doh.. can i ask a quick Q after. |
| There_Community | I know, it's abit like...well never mind |
| Corbin | My question will take less than 10 seconds for you to answer |
| Peter_B | I dont' quite see it - set all PAZ to be free for the 1st 3 hrs then |
| There_Community | That is the kind of possibility we are exploring, Peter |
| Snacks | its the price... that is the problem |
| Viv | yup snacks |
| Peter_B | Thank you. |
| There_Community | Hatch? |
| Corbin | 'HandDown |
| Hatch | Okay...forgive me if you've covered some of this already...I got here late. |
| Wildcat | 'handup |
| Wildcat | 'handdown |
| Hatch | Speaking as someone who has put a lot of real money into the game here...I rent a home, I've bought a lot of stuff for around my home, like ramps and custom auction stuff. Now I know yards are coming, but in the meantime every area is going to be either no-drop or PAZ only? |
| There_Community | Or in a zone, yes |
| Wildcat | make them free till yards come out!!! |
| There_Community | I think this is in the same category of trying to accomdate casual dropping |
| Corbin | I have a Neko and 2 elephants out front are you saying I will have to PAY to have them there 24/7 |
| Hatch | Well, is there going to be any way for those of us who cannot use our items anymore to return them for a refund then? |
| Hatch | As I don't see the need to pay three times just to use a ramp. |
| There_Community | Understood...And that is an interesting question I will take to our discussions internally, Hatch' |
| Hatch | Thank you. |
| There_Community | Calvin? |
| Levi_Jones | Calvin is Last |
| Calvin_J4 | Thanks |
| Calvin_J4 | T_C I''m assuming you were the one that replied to my post under DSX's thread regarding PAZ auto-retrieval? |
| Corbin | lol |
| There_Community | Forgive me but there has been ALOT of posts - moist likely me |
| Droopy | lol |
| Randra_Loqqet | heh |
| Calvin_J4 | lol |
| Peter_B | heehehe |
| There_Community | What particular post was that? |
| Calvin_J4 | It was Commmunity responds to PAZs I believe |
| There_Community | Yes |
| Levi_Jones | if it was T_C is was T_C |
| There_Community | Prob me |
| Levi_Jones | lol |
| There_Community | What was the particular post U made that I responded to? |
| Calvin_J4 | ok I proposed that the PaZs be tied to your event host skill to auto-retrieve after a certain length of time in order to reduce their strain on the servers |
| There_Community | Good question |
| There_Community | A couple of thisngs |
| Calvin_J4 | rather than have us pay to place them in world |
| There_Community | First, we ARE using skills to limit the # of PAZ you can have in the world |
| Snacks | 'handup |
| Viv | 'drat |
| There_Community | also, we have found that auto-retreival is really disturbing to alot of members |
| There_Community | That said |
| Calvin_J4 | Well now thats my whole point T_C |
| There_Community | And another though that we discussed alot internally |
| Snacks | (i think autoretrieval can be a good thing) |
| Peter_B | me too |
| Calvin_J4 | The porta zones will make it ALOT less disturbing |
| Wildcat | yes, autoretreival is GOOD |
| Calvin_J4 | no one gets mad because they have to drop a couple of things |
| Corbin | Except around our houses it is BAD!!!! |
| There_Community | The "casual" dropper, might not be someone who is a skilled event host, so they really need access to at least the smallest PAZ any time |
| Hatch | Auto-retrive is just fine by me. |
| Randra_Loqqet | since there will be a cost associated with a PAZ, i dont think it will really be an issue.. people wont just leave them laying around. |
| Calvin_J4 | people get mad when they spend 3 hours dropping ramps just so |
| There_Community | Intersting - well we got alot of feedback on auto-retreive... |
| Snacks | 4 folks said autoretrieve is ok |
| There_Community | And it is not great architecture for the sevice at scale.... |
| Calvin_J4 | But the load and save feature of PaZs will end all of the complaints from auto-retriaval |
| There_Community | Interesting |
| Wildcat | 2 hour autoretrival is not a problem |
| There_Community | Well, that is definitely something I will take back to the group as well for our discussions tomm |
| Calvin_J4 | Were you able to see my point T_C I know alot of other people were typing all at once |
| Peter_B | why not? we like it |
| Calvin_J4 | Inever mind having to load the layout on a funzone |
| Randra_Loqqet | TC i have a concern about something you mentioned earlier, quick yes or no ... the msgs that appear when you move from PAZ to PAZ... can they be turned off |
| Calvin_J4 | I dont think anyone does |
| Calvin_J4 | thats basically my point |
| There_Community | Hmmm-intere sting - well great feedback Calvin, thx |
| Snacks | 'handdown |
| Corbin | When is V1 rolling out?? |
| Calvin_J4 | LOL@ corbin |
| There_Community | News is coming very soon, guys |
| Randra_Loqqet | k |
| Corbin | cool |
| There_Community | We just can't release info until we are certain |
| Corbin | Had to try Cal |
| Levi_Jones | Okay Great convo! |
| Droopy | blockheads everywhere |
| Viv | okies |
| Calvin_J4 | 'tu corbin! |
| Corbin | 'clap |
| Randra_Loqqet | thanks TC and LJ |
| Viv | thnx to you guys |
| Peter_B | thank you levi, tc |
| Levi_Jones | Thank you everyone for attending tonights chat with T_C! |
| Corbin | NO thatnk you guys for liestening to us |
| Droopy | thank you! |
| Levi_Jones | 'bow |
| Calvin_J4 | 'Clap'HandUpThanks Levi and T_C! |
| There_Community | 'bow |
| Droopy | 'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap |
| There_Community | Our pleasure |
| Viv | I still have more questions, when its the next one you said? |
| Viv | hehehe |
| Calvin_J4 | 'HandDown |
| There_Community | And we will be seeing you all in the forums I am sure :) |
| Levi_Jones | You may send your questions to me at Levi_Jones@t here.com |
| Randra_Loqqet | =) |
| Viv | its theremail working again? |
| Calvin_J4 | you betcha |
| Corbin | Us, we never post |
| There_Community | We will have moe to say tomorrow sometime after we chat internally |
| Levi_Jones | that is not a theremail acct |
| Viv | ok I will post it in the forums, thnx |
| Droopy | arrrrg |
| Snacks | there is a forum here? |
| Viv | ok Levi thnx |
| Droopy | I just got bumped |
| Levi_Jones | cool! |
| Hatch | 'Clap |
| Corbin | Yeah, when is ThereMail gonna work again?? |
| Corbin | ROFL |
| Viv | I will post it so everyone can see it |
| John23 | 'HandUp`Surprise'HandDown |
| Viv | thnx a lot |
| There_Community | We have the Thermail team figuring it out - we think we know the prob |
| Corbin | Good deal guys |
| There_Community | We HATE it too when Theremail breaks |
| There_Community | :( |
| Viv | yup |
| There_Community | TTYL |
| Levi_Jones | OKAY! |
| There_Community | 'wave |
| Levi_Jones | 'bye |
| Hawk | thanks |
| Snacks | thanks for thaking the time |
| Droopy | I think that bump made me loose my chat history |
| Hatch | `Wave |
| DaveyB | How do I sit down John? |
| c5studio | I guess people aren't happy with the results.. |
| Droopy | anyone have it to send to me ? |
| John23 | Click on a chair |
| dove | lets blow this joint! |
| Randra_Loqqet | word |
| Viv | well I must say its better than |
| c5studio | 'hi |
| Viv | long time no see you :) |
| Viv | 'hi |
| Corbin | yeah you too |
| Corbin | Yes |
| Viv | since its a fact the paz are coming the best we can do its try to solve the money and dropping problems |
| Corbin | But I wnat emy Yard and so do you HUH?? |
| Viv | I want my yardzone! |
| c5studio | It still leave us with books and flyers out in the cold |
| Viv | yes |
| Viv | at least a mini drop zone for free |
| c5studio | What about someone dropping in my yard.. :/ |
| Viv | that would make me happy |
| c5studio | yeah |
| Viv | yea Ihad that problem but its not portazones related c5 |
| Corbin | Do you think that my Neko and Elephants will have to be in a zone then huh?? |
| c5studio | like a few fre autour PAZs |
| Viv | but I hate not be able to remove other ppl junk from my house! |
| Corbin | EXACTLY!!! |
| c5studio | yeah |
| Viv | hehehehe |