Randra_Loqqet`wave
There_CommunityHeya
There_Community'wave
Randra_Loqqethi
Levi_JonesHave a seat!
There_CommunityThanks for evertythihg
Droopy'wave
There_CommunitySorry bout the formal setup guys
There_CommunityBut it makes the chat bubbles easier to follow for all of us
Randra_Loqqetnp
Randra_Loqqetyea
Vivyes plz
Randra_Loqqetplus we just cant get 12 in a standing group
There_CommunityYup
Snacks'back'
There_CommunityPlus this way you can rest your tootsies, all of you :0
Randra_Loqqethehe
Randra_Loqqetour legz get tired easy
There_CommunityWeak pixels?
Peter_Bwow, we are a tough crowd tonight :)
Randra_Loqqethehe
dovei'm a princess
Vivhehe
Randra_Loqqetour splines will straighten
Randra_Loqqetif we sit correctly
Randra_Loqqethoho
There_CommunityLOL
Randra_Loqqetyes you are dove ;p
Droopy'back
dove:D
Randra_Loqqeta BUTTERCUP
Vivlol
doveBUTTERCHUP
Randra_Loqqet`wave hi viv
There_CommunityJust gonna see if we can get a few more pp
Randra_Loqqetok so is this a Q & A session or more of an informal chat?
Vivok then
There_CommunityWhatever you guys will get the most out of
Randra_Loqqetok cool.
There_CommunityThe Q/A might be easier to follow
Vivrandra can I Im I have a question for you
Randra_Loqqetok viv
Randra_Loqqetyea we should probably start with Q/A then go from there maybe
There_CommunityWorks forme
Randra_Loqqetget the basics covered
There_CommunityViv is passing notes anyway :)
Levi_Joneshave a seat
Randra_Loqqetcareful viv, if the teacher sees you you're busted!
Vivrofl
CorbinHey look at that when your summoned me here I got EXPERT pack
Vivdarn
Corbincool!
Vivthis headset
Vivlol
There_Communityheheh
Vivjust a quick question, randra its a busy gurl and not hard to find available
Vivmean not easy
doveonly duvz get 100% access
Levi_JonesOkay thank you everyone for showing up and showing the great interest!
Randra_Loqqetnp!
Looxnp
Vivokies
Vivthnx girl
There_CommunitySo, where to begin
There_CommunityPLenty of good discussion on the baords
There_Communityboards
There_Communitykk
Randra_Loqqetindeed
There_Communityooops
There_CommunityLet me giver you a status
Corbinok
Droopy'Clap'Clap'Clap
There_CommunityLevi and I spent time w/DSX and PhaPhedre
There_CommunityLast night
There_CommunityTalked a bout a bunch of good stuff
There_CommunityBeen chattin alot with people internally today
There_CommunityWanted to talk more with all of you
There_CommunityThen we are going to meet internally
There_CommunityDesigners, Leadership, Tom...and discuss a go-forward solution
Looxok
Randra_Loqqetcool
Droopygreat!
There_CommunityI assume many of you have seen the various posts
Droopylol
Snacksyes
Looxyes
Vivhehe
Hawkyes
There_CommunityHere is the basics of what we are hearing
There_Community1-There has come to be a place that feels fairly free to members to explore and innovate
There_CommunityTHough there are many things to fix and add
There_CommunityBeing in the world and having the freedom to go anywhere and take things with you is important
There_CommunityFor example, dropping a couch to sit with a friend and admire a view
Hawkyes
Snacksyes
Looxyes especially that
Randra_Loqqetyea
There_CommunityOr Or drop a mysterious book to create some fun and intrigue
Hawkyes
Droopyjoy
There_CommunityOr drop a new developer item you just made and leave it around the world to make some kind of marketing buzz for a new product
There_CommunityHey Corbin
Corbin'HandUp'HandDownCan I ask a question or would you rather I wait
There_CommunityAsk away
CorbinIt has to do with dropping.
CorbinYou hae prob saw my posts about litter.
Levi_Jones'nod
CorbinI wonder why you allow couches and stuff to be dropped int he fountains, hottubs, etc.
There_CommunityWell, there is a p
There_CommunitySorry bad typist
There_CommunityThere is a related but seperate issue about what kinds of areas should be "no dropping"
There_CommunitySomething we have explored a bit, but there are lots of possibilites
There_CommunityIt is a great question
There_CommunityIt really does not make sense to let pp drop in areas that members find serene or just for relaxing
CorbinBut you know WHY they do it right?
There_CommunitySay more
CorbinCause there are not enough seats
Vivtrue
There_CommunityIn those particular areas, you mean?
CorbinYes
Vivyes
Vivand 2 seats
Corbinthere is a HUGE hottub bu my place with room for like 12 people yet only 6 can sit at a time
Peter_Byes
Droopyan 8 person booth
Corbinantway dont let me derail you here continue
There_CommunitySo more room for peopleOK
There_Communitylet's talk about that in a minute
Looxthats one of the good thing about portazones... you can buildy our own 12 person searing arrangement and carry it with you
There_CommunityNot blowing it off COrbin, definitley part of the discussion
There_CommunitySo we hav issue 1 which is there is a great need to caually drop objects for different reasons
There_CommunityAnd droipping seating to fill in existing seating is a corner case that is a little different
Peter_B'handup
There_CommunityPeter?
Peter_B'handdown
Vivyup
Peter_Bquestion: is there any financial motivation, or purely something else?
Peter_Byes, do you need to charge?
There_CommunityDo you mean is there financial motivation for the Portazones? ie are we trying to make it part of our main revenue?
Levi_JonesDroopy and Viv
There_CommunityThat eally is not part of the equatyion
Levi_Jonesnest
Levi_Jonesnext
Droopy'HandUp
There_CommunityThis is not a revenue generati9ng function
Droopy'HandDown
Peter_BThanks
There_CommunityDroopy?
Droopywell first a statement
Randra_Loqqet'HandUp
Droopythat dropping also provides us a way to build things to interest the rest of the community
Levi_JonesViv , Randra
Hawkyes
Randra_Loqqet'HandDown
Viv'HandUp'HandDown
Droopyour own way of contributing to retention in effect
There_CommunityNo question, drooopy
Droopyand my question is thi:
There_CommunityAnd we do not want to discourage this kind of exploration and creation
Droopybased on the statements in the forum, it sounds as though "rent is not debatable on this issuse, the question of how much the "nominal rent" is up for discussion. is that true?
There_CommunityThat is certainly true
There_CommunityWe are having these discussions in the context of real potential for changes if they make sense
Droopyso debating the existence of the rent is moot, how much the rent is the main concern then.
CorbinGood question
There_CommunityNot precisely
There_CommunityTHough I would love to not look at it as a drawn out debate
There_CommunityThe real issue is, what is the right combination of opportunities and pricing that fits in with the existing models in th4e world
There_CommunityNot taken that way at all Droopy
Droopysure, I do not mean that as an attack, but I thought we needed to clear that matter up before we wasted all night on it
There_CommunitySo, we are looking at the types of PZones, the sizes, the uses, the prices
There_CommunityAll levers in the model
Droopyty
There_CommunityViv?
Snacks'handup
Vivyes, droopy talked about , but I wanted to ask, its there looking for other choices more than the per minute fee?
Vivcause its really what is bothering everyone
Hawkyes
Corbinyes
Droopy'HandUp
Loox'HandUpyes
Vivanyother way to make ppl pay but not per-minute in world?
Levi_JonesRandra, Loox, Snacks, Droopy
Snacks'handdown
Droopy'HandDown
There_CommunitySo basically, we are looking at various possibilities
Peter_Byes
VivI still thinking the portazones will be a great featured but not everyone will be able to pay
Vivjustmy opinion
There_CommunityBut there is some basic functionality that is built and tested and we want to be careful and not jeopardize the stability of ther next release
Loox'HandDown
There_CommunitySo the question is, are there maybe different types of PZones, and some cost one thing and other cost anoth, or nothing
Levi_Jonesgot ya Corbin
Corbin'HandUp'HandDown
Corbinthnx
Levi_Jones'nod
VivI see
There_CommunityAnd By the minute is a technical approach, that I think we have learned has a real bad emotional connection
Snacks'nod
Corbin'laugh
doveheh
Hawkyeah
Wildcatyeah
Vivmaybe per hour will be a little bit better
There_CommunityActually, it is per hour
Vivnot good but not that bad
Corbin'clap
Randra_Loqqetthe problem with per hour is if you log out after the first 10 mins.. how is it charged?
Vivyes randra I though in that too
There_CommunityBasicallyu, Randra, the way it works, it is like a bank
There_CommunityYou put hours into it
Looxooooh.. good idea
Peter_BYES
There_CommunityAnd then while it is in the world, it decrements by the minute
Levi_JonesViv are you done with your ??
VivyesLevi, tnx
Randra_Loqqetah ok... so its the ... ohhh ok. interesting
Levi_Jonesok
There_CommunitySo once you pick it up - timer stops
dovei think i like that idea better
CorbinInteresting
Levi_Jonesafter Randra is Loox
Randra_Loqqetthats pretty cool.
Vivyup it is
Randra_Loqqetno lol
Randra_Loqqetthat was just responding
There_CommunityNice try Levi! :)
Randra_Loqqetlet me ask my Q ;)
Corbinlol
Levi_JonesRandra are you done?
Levi_Joneslol
Randra_LoqqetI have 2 Qs but one is quick
Corbinahoh the other is long then
Corbinlol
Randra_Loqqetfirst lets tackle the main one..
Levi_Jonesgot ya hawk
Randra_Loqqeti personally think the PAZ's are a GREAT idea, but what bothers me is that we will have NO place to drop freely... is it possible to leave *some* areas open for free dropping, that wont require a PAZ?
There_CommunityThat is something that can be possible in the future
There_CommunityAnd we would like it to
Hawk'HandUp'HandDown
There_CommunitySo this is a transition step
Randra_Loqqetso what we are looking at for the sept release is PAZ only dropping for the time being
There_CommunityThge longer term goal is vbarious areas around the world that behave differently
Randra_Loqqetok... cool. that is the best solution in the long run IMO.
There_CommunityThis is not a trivial thing to expose, so it takes some time
Randra_Loqqetsure i understand. ;) hehe
Randra_Loqqetyes the ability to save layouts is great
There_CommunityWHen that happens, PAZ (love the shortcut) will be a cool feature for lots of other reasons, but they will not be only for dropping stuff
Levi_JonesLOOX
Vivindeed
Randra_Loqqetbut kinda useless if u just want to drop 1 couch
Looxi think randra had one more
Wildcat'handup
There_CommunityUnless U use a small PAZ
There_CommunityThe issue is cost
Randra_Loqqettrue, but then it requires another PAZ, etc...
Levi_JonesWildcat i got ya
Wildcat'handdown
There_CommunityRanra, can I let Loox ask 1 and then get to your 2nd?
Randra_Loqqetsure.
There_CommunityThx
There_CommunityLoox?
Looxhehe...
Looxwell first i will yield to you , TC if you want to finish your opening statement...
Randra_Loqqetlol
There_CommunityNothing planned, Loox
Levi_Joneslol
There_CommunityWould love to keep hearing from U guys
There_CommunityGoi ahead
Looxok... well.. i had two questions , too... so i'll just ask one now
There_CommunitySorry if it was not clear
Looxwhen you first spoke, you mentioned people dropping being a problem for PAZ... im confused... isn't that the point of PAZ... isn't the only real problem pricing?
There_CommunityDropping is important to people
Randra_Loqqetpaz reduces server load tho
There_CommunityAnd PAZ helps preserve that
Looxi know... and i agree with them
Looxahh... ok
There_CommunitySo yes, price is the biggest issue I think
There_CommunityYup!!!
Looxso can i ask my pricing question then?
Levi_Joneshold on a sec all T_C just got an IM from TOM
Looxok... with your pay-per-hour (PPH) plan... how do you see preventing people from ok
Randra_Loqqetda big cheeze
Vivlol
Levi_Joneslol
Randra_Loqqethehe
Snacks'grin
Vivtell him hi from Viv
Viv:)
There_CommunityLoox please repeat
Vivhehe
Randra_Loqqetel presidentee
Wildcatis this when we all go 'rumble 'rumble 'rumble
Looxokay.. to rephrase.. how do you guys plan on justifying having us pay to put down our couches by time and how do you expect us to enjoy them knowing the clock is ticking... dont you see a problem with that?
Levi_Joneshold on Tom is asking if he should join
Randra_Loqqetsure!
Wildcatsorry, no room
Looxok
Snacksi think so
Wildcatlol
CorbinAbsolutly
doveheh
Levi_Joneslol
Vivthere is room for one more
Hawkyes
Droopyhe can sit in my lap
Randra_Loqqetlol he can sit by peter
Vivhehehe
Randra_Loqqetthere are 2 free seats
There_CommunityGuys, sorry about that
Randra_Loqqetwe should charge him by the minute to sit with us tho
Randra_Loqqet;)
There_CommunityTom say hello
CorbinROFL Randra
Peter_Bhahaha!
Randra_Loqqethehe
Vivlol
There_CommunityHe is out of town spreading the gospekl about There
Loox'''yay
Randra_Loqqetpreach it brotha
LooxAMEN!
There_CommunityThat he is
doveohhh i'm gonna need a copy of those articles :P
There_CommunitySo he is swamped
Randra_Loqqetcool.
Droopycool
There_CommunityBut we are gonna set up a CEO chat for this weekend to follow up with him!
Vivvery good
DroopyI will come...
Vivtake notes cause I will be at the beach :D
There_CommunityLucky Viv
Randra_Loqqetsign me up for that event ;)
There_CommunityOK Loox, please restate your Q
Looxhehe.. okay
VivI ll bring my laptop so I can play
CorbinGood question
Looxhow are you guys justifying charging us by hte hour to drop say a couch.. and how do you expect us to enjoy it knowing the clock is ticking...
There_CommunityI think that is exactly what we are taking a hard look at maybe making changes to Loox
Looxi have an idea
There_CommunityAll ears
Randra_Loqqetyea, maybe a small one for benches...
Looxif you do decide to stick with a payperhour PPH plan... which maybe you shouldnt... perhaps our first (free) PAZ can be of a different type.. one that is not PPH... that way we have at least some freedom to do the little things for free
Snacksyes
Peter_Byes
Corbinyes
Randra_Loqqetfree of charges
Droopy'Clap'Clap'Clap
There_CommunityI thinbk there is consensus
There_CommunityI NEED TYPINGLESS ONS
Randra_Loqqetlol
Looxlol
Vivmaybe free for X time a day
Hawk'lol
There_CommunitySo where I was headed in the begining
Peter_Bgood viv
There_CommunityIt seems like there are 2 categories of putting stuff into the world
Snacks'nid
Snackserr. 'nod
Looxi liked ur idea, too.. viv
There_CommunityOne kind is the casual dropping of a few items
There_CommunityFOr a social event, encounter
There_CommunityFOr usually a liumited period of time
There_CommunityThough it might be repeated in the same spot frequently
Snacksor not
Randra_Loqqetbut yea.
There_CommunityThe other type is kinda more related to Building
There_CommunityMaking a house
There_CommunityOr a Garden
Randra_Loqqetright
Droopylandmark
There_CommunityOr a Functional Zone of some sort
Hawkyes
Snacksor an industrial complex ;)
Looxoh my gosh... i am liking what i am hearing so much
There_CommunityThat is more like renhting a house ofr a Zone
There_CommunityAnd then either being able to afford just hangin in it
There_CommunityOr using it to build a business or at least pay for itself
Looxand both types would save when you picked them up right?
There_CommunityYup
There_CommunityGreat - that is what I think we were getting to
Looxright... i think that is the issue Randra
Levi_Jonessnacks is up next BTW
There_CommunityThat is where I believcve we are headed
VivI agree randra
Randra_Loqqetyea that is really the main difference here.. major construction vs dropping a small couch or whatnot. They probably need seperate pricing plans and sizes vs limitations on what you can do in each one
Loox'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap
Snackslistening for the moment
There_CommunitySnacks
Vivmaybe the amount of object in each PAZ
Peter_Bgo snacks
Droopyno viv please!
Snacksgo
Levi_Joneshawk got ya
DroopyI have many blocks I play with!!
Snacksok...
Vivso you need to buy the big one and pay more
Randra_Loqqeti dont think limiting is needed because thats what the PAZ is doing in a sense.. for the world rendering issues.. am i right TC?
Snacksthis is exactly the heart my question
There_CommunityBasically Randra, yes
There_CommunityYes, snacks
There_Communitylistening
Hawk'HandUp'HandDown
Levi_Jonesviv got ya
Snackswhat i want to know is simple.... will i continue to be able to drop my bench/table/be er... as i have done in the past?
Randra_Loqqet'HandUp'HandDown
Peter_Bgood question
There_CommunityYes, but you will need to put down a PAZ first
Levi_Jonesdroopy is up next
CorbinHey Levi?
Snacksthat is fine, but 1. will it cost me anything annd 2. will it limit me in any way compared to what i can do now?
Viv'HandUp'HandDown
There_Community1-As designed it would cost you a little
There_CommunityBut we are exploring altering that plan
Randra_Loqqet'HandUp
There_CommunityFor the errant object like a chair or bench
There_CommunityNo promises yet
There_CommunityStill talking
There_CommunityBut I personally think something needs to address the 2 types of dropping I mentioned
There_CommunityAs for 2
There_CommunityThe only resprtictions are as follows
Corbin'HandUp
There_Community1-only permitted to drop a few simultaneoud PAZ in the world at any 1 time per avie
Snacksi only need one
There_CommunityAnd there might be a limit on how long it can be in the world
There_CommunityBut that depends
Snacksi need a few hours tops
There_CommunityRight now, all objects are auto-retreived after a set period of time
There_CommunityThat will not be a prob, Snacks
DroopyMe?
Corbin'HandDown
There_CommunityDroopy? Q2?
Snacksthat;s all i want... the simple thing i do now that doesnt hurt anything
There_CommunityCorbin is next
Snacks(done)
There_CommunityYou had Q 2?
Droopyyes
There_CommunityI said I'd come back
There_CommunityThen Corbin
Levi_Jonesrandra got ya
DroopyOk with houses monthly rent comes out to around 12,000 to 15000 t$
Randra_Loqqet'HandDown
Levi_Jonesviv got ya from last time
Droopywill leaving a portazone out for an entire month cost more thatn the rent of a house
There_CommunityWell, when you compare the associated functionality - what do you think?
Gene_StarwindWhere is the quest?
Droopyat 10 there$ per minute it will cost an average of 7500 there$ for a month
Gene_StarwindFor this week?
Viv'HandUp'HandDown
Droopyand will beta testers be given an abrevieated perioud to use the PAZ free of rent to test with?
There_CommunityInteresting question
There_Communityre: free test period for PAZ
CorbinYES !
DroopyI think that houses have more persmissions and functions
There_CommunityHouses have more permissions control
Droopytrue...
There_CommunityPAZ have the ability to be picked up, to retain the layout and place elsewhere
There_CommunityThey can be placed anywhere in the world, practically
There_CommunityThat is the possibility
Droopyso possibly equal value based on plusses and minusses of both
There_CommunityPlease understand I am not being coy
Looxwhich we appreciate
There_CommunityWe are working out the pricing and really trying to take into consideratin the input from the widest possible group of members
DroopyI am just tossing it out for y'all to toy wityh
There_CommunityVery helpful Droopy
DroopyI would like 1 more q next round
There_CommunityOK
Droopyty
There_CommunityCOrbin
There_Community?
There_CommunityYour Q?
CorbinI have a clubhouse
CorbinI want a YARD
CorbinComing??
dove'yay
There_Community'nod
Vivoh finally that was my question
CorbinSorry Viv
Randra_Loqqetyea mine too.. heh
Vivoh no, not at all
Droopy'''yay
Corbin'clap
There_CommunityExpanding the zone arounf houses to include Yards/Porches is the plan. We tried to make it for this release but it was just too much to do well.
Vivgreat!
There_CommunityBut it will be in the next release after that
There_CommunityI agree it is critical
CorbinI owuld like to be able to drop stuff (like a buggy) and have it NOT be able to be stolen by someone??
Corbinpossible??
There_CommunityThat is correct, COrbin
Randra_Loqqetis there a plan yet on how far the yard will extend, and will it cover all directions or just the front.
There_CommunityStill being disussd, but my guess is it will be all sides
Randra_Loqqetok good
There_CommunityHawk?
Hawkyes
Randra_Loqqetwe like gardens and such all around heheh. I will assume the yard wont cost extra.
VivI will be happy with the front and back
Vivhehe
HawkI have a concern and a question
There_CommunityNo, Randra....LOL
Randra_Loqqet;)
CorbinAs a followup is there ANY reason at all that the owner of a hosue would want to NO BE ABLE TO DROP items??
HawkI like the PAZ, think it's agreat idea
Hawkbut I have a concern that I think is like Droopys
There_CommunityIn their own house COrbin?
Levi_Joneshawk hold a sec
HawkI like to build little strcuturres that I drop for people's pleasure
Peter_B'HandUp
HawkPeople tell me they like them
CorbinYes I keep mine NO DROP so someone doesnt drop something when I, not there then every time I want to let my dog out I have to vchange it
Vivsomeonedrop blocks in mine and I couldnt remove it
HawkI don't really weant to buid a house
Hawkbut if I have to pay rent.,I can't do it
There_CommunityI see - yes it would be great to have ability to permit permission for you seperate from others...
CorbinI see NO REASON that the owner woudl ever want to keep him or herslef from droopping in their own house
Randra_Loqqetyea corbin thats an issue for me too.. owners should have full perms all the time regardless of the settings, IMO
There_CommunityThat is another great feature we would love to add
There_CommunityLet's let Hawk ask the question?
Levi_Jonesand let's stay on POV for now!
Levi_Jones okay?
Hawkit's a technical point that maybe I don't understand
Hawkif the point of a PAZ is to reudce server load to the same as a single obkect
Hawkthen it should be like drop[ing a counch
Hawkso why require a PAZ to drop a couch if they're the same load on the server?
CorbinGood question
There_CommunityIt is a bit more complex, Hawk
Hawkok
There_CommunityBasically, we are changing the functionality overall to have the system only allow objects into the world inside a zone
Hatch'HandUp
There_CommunitySo we creted a zone that was portable
Hawkok
Hawkthanks
Hawkthat makes it more clear
There_CommunityAssociting the object with a zone is part of why it is so much more efficient
Levi_Joneshatch got u
HatchPeter was ahead of me i think.
Peter_B:)
CorbinBut if you are having server load issues alrready what happens when you OPEN then door??
Peter_B'handdown
Levi_Jonesok can't see pweter
There_CommunityActuall, COrbin
Levi_Jones got you both
There_CommunityWe are not having srerver load issues now
HatchGo 4 it Pete.
There_CommunityWe are seeing very high stability so far on the new cluster and witht the recent fixes
There_CommunityIt is because of opening that we are preparing to accomodate more volume
Corbingood looking ahead
There_CommunityThx
Peter_Bok, me?
HatchYes.
There_CommunityWILDCAT? Your Q?
Wildcatokay, I think allowing objects outside of a PAZ, but setting them to expire after 2 hours accomplishes your goals and lets us drop casually
CorbinFor causally dropped items I think they should go when you leave the area.
SnacksYES
Peter_BYES!
There_CommunityA couple of things about that Wildcat
Wildcatyou couldnt build a huge structure quit enough
There_CommunityFirst of all, the basic technology that relates objects with zones is just so much more efficient
There_CommunityThe way objects were being dropped was not really going to scale properly
Wildcatthen change it
Levi_Jonesafter Wild,,,
There_CommunityWe did actually implement auto time outs for objects and heard from a lot of you that it was a bad experience
Snacksnot from us casual couch droppers
CorbinNOT from me
Levi_JonesViv, Randra, Droopy Peter, Hatch, Calvin
There_CommunityThat is probably true
Calvin_J4'HandUp
VivI got my question answered already Levi, thnx
Wildcatwell, heres my point if someone wants something out for a long period, or a structure, they use a PAZ, but the casual couch can expire after 2 hours
There_CommunityI see where you are headed Wilcat
There_CommunityAnd I basically agree there are 2 schnarios, one that needs to feel seamless and free
Wildcatyes
There_CommunityI believe that keeping a consistenmt architectuire with PAZ for all objects is the solution'
Hatch'HandDown
Calvin_J4'HandDown
There_CommunityBut we need to accomodate the casual dropper easily
Wildcati dont think it is from our perspective
There_CommunityIf you could drop a counch anywhere, anytime, adn it did not cost you T$ - how would that be much worse?
Wildcatwe wont have to mess with a PAZ
There_CommunityAnd as a side effect, you could set up multiple objects and pick them up and droip them as a group wherever and whenever you wanted
Wildcator else we would have to take out the PAZ, clear out hwatever was in it before, then take out the couch
There_CommunityOr yo8u could keep a empty one around for use in that circumstance
Wildcat'sigh
There_CommunityBut I hear you Wildcat, and this fits in witht the basic message we are hearing
There_CommunityOK...
Levi_Jonesso Viv, Randra, Droopy, Peter, Hatch, and Calvin and after that we have a hard stop :-)
There_CommunityWC - can't solve all the issues all at one, but we are trying our best
There_CommunityViv?
VivI pass
Vivrandra your turn
Randra_Loqqetlet droopy go before me
Randra_Loqqethehe
There_CommunityRandra?Droppy?
Vivmy question was answered ;)
There_CommunityDroopy
Droopyyes
DroopyI would like to know if the PAZ will have a ceiling and/or limit on # of object that can be used in it
There_CommunityI am not certian of the height limitation
There_CommunityBut as I recall, you can go up very high
There_CommunityI can find out
There_CommunityAnd as for the # of objects
There_CommunityThe larger the PAZ, the more you can put into it
CorbinWhat are the sizes again??
Droopywell
There_CommunityRanges from 5-32
Droopyonly 32? :(
Wildcatwow 32 isnt many
There_CommunityThere are limitation of what you can see and this is even more than is in the world currently
Randra_Loqqetyea its like 16 max now isnt it
There_CommunityYes
Droopyyes but with upwards building I can fit in so much more
There_CommunityWell, to be fair droopy, we have to have some limitation to scale effectively
Droopyok
There_CommunityObviously,we will continue to improve the softweare and bulk up hardware to make these limits increase over time
Droopyty
There_CommunityRandra
Randra_Loqqetok
Randra_Loqqeti was wondering 2 things, one is.. the way the PAZ displays the things dropped in it.. do they not draw from the outside of the PAZ? or can people 20 feet away still see into it
There_CommunityThey can see in
Snacks'handup
There_CommunityThe only limitation is the normal one that will draqw the nearest objects with priority
Randra_Loqqetgotcha.
There_CommunityAnd avatars too
There_CommunityYup
Snacks'handdown
There_CommunityAnd BTW we are making the poles smaller
Droopywill that cause problemsd with others tryng to place their paz too close to yours?
There_CommunityYou will get messaging telling you that there is anothe zone there
Randra_Loqqetok, now we are able to completely turn off all the boundaries for the PAZ, so we see no silly fences or poles right? so it just looks like flat land. Ok thats good news. Now these builder kits that are coming with V1/Sept whatever, they work in PAZ's too right? and are they limited in the same way (re object count)
There_CommunityThey are for all zones
There_CommunityAnd they are limites the same way as other objects'
Randra_Loqqetok.. cool. tnx, i'm done ;)
There_CommunityPeter?
Peter_BWhy cant snacks have his couch out for free, for say 3 hours? It's obviously not a house... why charge him?
Corbin'HandUp
Calvin_J4lol
There_CommunityI understand completely philosophically
Snackslol... thank you, peter_b
There_CommunityBut the technical reality is that we need to migrate to the new way of placing objects
There_CommunityBetter architecture for scale
Wildcatthen change the technology
There_CommunityBut the PAZ is the solution so you can still drop
There_CommunityThe only drag is taking out the PAZX first
Levi_Joneshatch, calvin and than we need to go ;-(
Randra_Loqqetdoh.. can i ask a quick Q after.
There_CommunityI know, it's abit like...well never mind
CorbinMy question will take less than 10 seconds for you to answer
Peter_BI dont' quite see it - set all PAZ to be free for the 1st 3 hrs then
There_CommunityThat is the kind of possibility we are exploring, Peter
Snacksits the price... that is the problem
Vivyup snacks
Peter_BThank you.
There_CommunityHatch?
Corbin'HandDown
HatchOkay...forgive me if you've covered some of this already...I got here late.
Wildcat'handup
Wildcat'handdown
HatchSpeaking as someone who has put a lot of real money into the game here...I rent a home, I've bought a lot of stuff for around my home, like ramps and custom auction stuff. Now I know yards are coming, but in the meantime every area is going to be either no-drop or PAZ only?
There_CommunityOr in a zone, yes
Wildcatmake them free till yards come out!!!
There_CommunityI think this is in the same category of trying to accomdate casual dropping
CorbinI have a Neko and 2 elephants out front are you saying I will have to PAY to have them there 24/7
HatchWell, is there going to be any way for those of us who cannot use our items anymore to return them for a refund then?
HatchAs I don't see the need to pay three times just to use a ramp.
There_CommunityUnderstood...And that is an interesting question I will take to our discussions internally, Hatch'
HatchThank you.
There_CommunityCalvin?
Levi_JonesCalvin is Last
Calvin_J4Thanks
Calvin_J4T_C I''m assuming you were the one that replied to my post under DSX's thread regarding PAZ auto-retrieval?
Corbinlol
There_CommunityForgive me but there has been ALOT of posts - moist likely me
Droopylol
Randra_Loqqetheh
Calvin_J4lol
Peter_Bheehehe
There_CommunityWhat particular post was that?
Calvin_J4It was Commmunity responds to PAZs I believe
There_CommunityYes
Levi_Jonesif it was T_C is was T_C
There_CommunityProb me
Levi_Joneslol
There_CommunityWhat was the particular post U made that I responded to?
Calvin_J4ok I proposed that the PaZs be tied to your event host skill to auto-retrieve after a certain length of time in order to reduce their strain on the servers
There_CommunityGood question
There_CommunityA couple of thisngs
Calvin_J4rather than have us pay to place them in world
There_CommunityFirst, we ARE using skills to limit the # of PAZ you can have in the world
Snacks'handup
Viv'drat
There_Communityalso, we have found that auto-retreival is really disturbing to alot of members
There_CommunityThat said
Calvin_J4Well now thats my whole point T_C
There_CommunityAnd another though that we discussed alot internally
Snacks(i think autoretrieval can be a good thing)
Peter_Bme too
Calvin_J4The porta zones will make it ALOT less disturbing
Wildcatyes, autoretreival is GOOD
Calvin_J4no one gets mad because they have to drop a couple of things
CorbinExcept around our houses it is BAD!!!!
There_CommunityThe "casual" dropper, might not be someone who is a skilled event host, so they really need access to at least the smallest PAZ any time
HatchAuto-retrive is just fine by me.
Randra_Loqqetsince there will be a cost associated with a PAZ, i dont think it will really be an issue.. people wont just leave them laying around.
Calvin_J4people get mad when they spend 3 hours dropping ramps just so
There_CommunityIntersting - well we got alot of feedback on auto-retreive...
Snacks4 folks said autoretrieve is ok
There_CommunityAnd it is not great architecture for the sevice at scale....
Calvin_J4But the load and save feature of PaZs will end all of the complaints from auto-retriaval
There_CommunityInteresting
Wildcat2 hour autoretrival is not a problem
There_CommunityWell, that is definitely something I will take back to the group as well for our discussions tomm
Calvin_J4Were you able to see my point T_C I know alot of other people were typing all at once
Peter_Bwhy not? we like it
Calvin_J4Inever mind having to load the layout on a funzone
Randra_LoqqetTC i have a concern about something you mentioned earlier, quick yes or no ... the msgs that appear when you move from PAZ to PAZ... can they be turned off
Calvin_J4I dont think anyone does
Calvin_J4thats basically my point
There_CommunityHmmm-intere sting - well great feedback Calvin, thx
Snacks'handdown
CorbinWhen is V1 rolling out??
Calvin_J4LOL@ corbin
There_CommunityNews is coming very soon, guys
Randra_Loqqetk
Corbincool
There_CommunityWe just can't release info until we are certain
CorbinHad to try Cal
Levi_JonesOkay Great convo!
Droopyblockheads everywhere
Vivokies
Calvin_J4'tu corbin!
Corbin'clap
Randra_Loqqetthanks TC and LJ
Vivthnx to you guys
Peter_Bthank you levi, tc
Levi_JonesThank you everyone for attending tonights chat with T_C!
CorbinNO thatnk you guys for liestening to us
Droopythank you!
Levi_Jones'bow
Calvin_J4'Clap'HandUpThanks Levi and T_C!
There_Community'bow
Droopy'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap'Clap
There_CommunityOur pleasure
VivI still have more questions, when its the next one you said?
Vivhehehe
Calvin_J4'HandDown
There_CommunityAnd we will be seeing you all in the forums I am sure :)
Levi_JonesYou may send your questions to me at Levi_Jones@t here.com
Randra_Loqqet=)
Vivits theremail working again?
Calvin_J4you betcha
CorbinUs, we never post
There_CommunityWe will have moe to say tomorrow sometime after we chat internally
Levi_Jonesthat is not a theremail acct
Vivok I will post it in the forums, thnx
Droopyarrrrg
Snacksthere is a forum here?
Vivok Levi thnx
DroopyI just got bumped
Levi_Jonescool!
Hatch'Clap
CorbinYeah, when is ThereMail gonna work again??
CorbinROFL
VivI will post it so everyone can see it
John23'HandUp`Surprise'HandDown
Vivthnx a lot
There_CommunityWe have the Thermail team figuring it out - we think we know the prob
CorbinGood deal guys
There_CommunityWe HATE it too when Theremail breaks
There_Community :(
Vivyup
There_CommunityTTYL
Levi_JonesOKAY!
There_Community'wave
Levi_Jones'bye
Hawkthanks
Snacksthanks for thaking the time
DroopyI think that bump made me loose my chat history
Hatch`Wave
DaveyBHow do I sit down John?
c5studioI guess people aren't happy with the results..
Droopyanyone have it to send to me ?
John23Click on a chair
dovelets blow this joint!
Randra_Loqqetword
Vivwell I must say its better than
c5studio'hi
Vivlong time no see you :)
Viv'hi
Corbinyeah you too
CorbinYes
Vivsince its a fact the paz are coming the best we can do its try to solve the money and dropping problems
CorbinBut I wnat emy Yard and so do you HUH??
VivI want my yardzone!
c5studioIt still leave us with books and flyers out in the cold
Vivyes
Vivat least a mini drop zone for free
c5studioWhat about someone dropping in my yard.. :/
Vivthat would make me happy
c5studioyeah
Vivyea Ihad that problem but its not portazones related c5
CorbinDo you think that my Neko and Elephants will have to be in a zone then huh??
c5studiolike a few fre autour PAZs
Vivbut I hate not be able to remove other ppl junk from my house!
CorbinEXACTLY!!!
c5studioyeah
Vivhehehehe