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dove	ok...sleetime for meeeeee
Randra_Loqqet	nite duvvvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvv
dove	just...put me on the roof or something
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	duv depot
dove	'blowkiss
dove	nitenite honeybunch
Randra_Loqqet	nite luva
dove	and palz
Lin	g'nit, Dove
dove	:)
Sasta	ehups/
hatch	See ya Dove!
Randra_Loqqet	hatch just blew past the zooooneee
hatch	The lag is terrible here.
Sasta	wow you all look good in those dresses
Randra_Loqqet	no lag for me hatch
Randra_Loqqet	tnx SAS!
hatch	It keeps switching my POV to the front of the boat.
Randra_Loqqet	it hates u hatch.
hatch	There...better now.
Randra_Loqqet	yay!
Sasta	oooo
Lin	woww
Lin	Kewl place1
Randra_Loqqet	tnQs
Randra_Loqqet	hm this piece got messed.
Randra_Loqqet	too bad my zone is so messed for me i cant fix it heh
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Sasta	so you did get it?
hatch	Nope.
hatch	Let me take Lin for a ride.
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hatch	Hop in Lin!
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Randra_Loqqet	ahhhhhhhhhhh h i broke it
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Randra_Loqqet	dammit
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Lin	wow..is this a land rover?
hatch	It's like an old style Bronco.
Lin	it's kewl
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Randra_Loqqet	waddup Gs.
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Lin	Things missing, you mean?
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ashy	I don't see the problem...
Randra_Loqqet	ahh you got one of those shirts heheh.. i saw it in the catalog
hatch	Chat keeps going down.
ashy	Yes. :)
Randra_Loqqet	nice. i need to snag one too.
Randra_Loqqet	whats the name again? i forget
ashy	I think this is the time of year to get tight vinyl stuff.
Randra_Loqqet	the one i saw was carmel toned
ashy	Let me see if it's in my history anywhere...
Randra_Loqqet	well the name should show in your inventory.
Randra_Loqqet	but koo
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hatch	Ashy, Chareve went home sick so the party is off.
ashy	Slinky Vampiress something.
ashy	Hurrm.
Randra_Loqqet	hm.. check this out
Randra_Loqqet	http://www.mikeanike.com/marsinc/ufo03.jpg
Randra_Loqqet	someone made that UFO for Rham
ashy	Finally?
Randra_Loqqet	lol yeah.
Randra_Loqqet	link should be vclickable in chat history
ashy	That's what the jetcar started out as, but he went with some other guy.
Randra_Loqqet	yea i vaguely recall reading that in the forums he was kinda huffy
ashy	Very cute.
Randra_Loqqet	yea, that was actually the design i invisioned making myself as my 2nd board model. Never got around to it, and probably never would have either. LOL. so its cool someone else did.
Randra_Loqqet	i was going to make mine green and yellow, sorta like that old transformer's toy Cosmos.
ashy	Probably looks weird if someone hangs off the front end.
Randra_Loqqet	yea thats the reason i didnt do it.. it was too short.
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ashy	I mean, I guess most people wouldn't notice, but I would, so I made mine the way I did...
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Randra_Loqqet	yea yours rocks :)
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Randra_Loqqet	sux about THERE and the lighting tho.
ashy	I'll bother them again if/when they do their lit boards.
ashy	But at this rate I don't think they ever will.
Randra_Loqqet	you know what really pisses me off? it looks like PHedre got custom contrails on that purple dragon.
ashy	Oh?
ashy	They just looked red to me.
Randra_Loqqet	hmm really? they looked purple to me...
ashy	I always get red.
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Randra_Loqqet	wow they are red now
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Randra_Loqqet	i swear this was purple yesterday.
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Randra_Loqqet	naw i paid close attention maybe it was just the lighting.
ashy	contrails I think because the dragon is like a reddish purple and the are kind of magenta, it's hard to tell.
Randra_Loqqet	cuz i was like WTF
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Randra_Loqqet	she has connections there i thought she used them for a hookup.
ashy	You could just ask her, find out who she bribed. :)
Randra_Loqqet	well they arent purp anymore so thats why now i'm confused. LOL
Randra_Loqqet	maybe it was the lighting and i was wrong yesterday.
ashy	I do too, but I only use them in emergencies.
Randra_Loqqet	artkit guy?
Randra_Loqqet	superbeard!
Randra_Loqqet	he's cool.
ashy	*looks down Randra's top*
Randra_Loqqet	`bow
ashy	'nod nod
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	Frang.
ashy	Frang's the person I know best there.
Randra_Loqqet	he was telling me at the TRLG how he made the previewer just to test stuff and they released it for US to use.. he was like wtf.
hatch	Frang's da man.
ashy	For a long, long time, interetingly enough.
Randra_Loqqet	thats cool. he rules.
ashy	Oh, so it's *his* fault it craps out.
Randra_Loqqet	yes!
hatch	lol
ashy	:)
Randra_Loqqet	it wasnt meant for public use he said LOL
ashy	Yeah, he does.
ashy	*nod* I got that impression...
Randra_Loqqet	they just sort of gobbled it up and packed it into the dev kit
Randra_Loqqet	i dont think he was too thrilled about it.
Randra_Loqqet	exactly.
ashy	quickly It looks like something a programmer threw together for internal testing.
Randra_Loqqet	thats what he said it was for LOL
ashy	*nod* It figures.
ashy	Mmm, melons.
hatch	lol
Randra_Loqqet	slinky delights
ashy	And the dead girls stare at Hatch.
Randra_Loqqet	`glare
Randra_Loqqet	`swoon
Randra_Loqqet	`knife
Randra_Loqqet	hehe
hatch	Eep?
Randra_Loqqet	be afraid hatch.. be VERY AFRAID.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	:O
hatch	:O
Randra_Loqqet	[`handstand` ][`hole` ][```surprise` ][`twist` ]lolol
hatch	NOOOOOOO!
ashy	This pants model makes it look like I've got a bulge.
Randra_Loqqet	it reveals thruths we must keep secret!
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	'burp
Randra_Loqqet	well mines out.
Randra_Loqqet	TRLG style!
hatch	Yeah, nice. More butter please.
ashy	MOre butter please.
Randra_Loqqet	mmm butter
ashy	*looks to see where Randra's is out*
Randra_Loqqet	whats with broken auctions
hatch	How do you take your scotch, Mitchell?
ashy	Uh, by the quart.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	I usually have mine with a Ding-Dong in it, but uh, I'll just have it neat...
Randra_Loqqet	sigh. its too bad you 2 didnt come to TRLG. we coulda partied it up.
ashy	I'm not selling any spooky plants to speak of. :/
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	Lots of lilies, though.
Randra_Loqqet	those plants are cool.
Randra_Loqqet	DSX was crying about the price in #there. i told him to STFU.
ashy	We would have just tormented Frang all evening.
ashy	Thanks. :)
hatch	Yes, tormenting Frang is the new national pastime!
Randra_Loqqet	i should show u a log i took. dSX and poohedre were needing of a beatdown.
ashy	What, the price of the plants?
Randra_Loqqet	http://www.loqtech.com/there/pricewar_there.log
ashy	I wanted to push it higher so they weren't saturating the place.
Randra_Loqqet	builder dev prices in general.
Randra_Loqqet	dsx isj ust a big baby.
Randra_Loqqet	did you see the posting today by kittenkat in Prices? its a hooha of .. hoo.
ashy	Well, they're kind of high if you're just starting out.
Randra_Loqqet	if you're a nooooobz
Randra_Loqqet	but what noobz needs a spookyplant.
Randra_Loqqet	or a cat. or anything but a board.
Randra_Loqqet	and buggy
Randra_Loqqet	and.. knife to cut hatch with.
ashy	A noob with a funzone, that's who!
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	Either of you been to Zephyr lately?
Randra_Loqqet	at 13k/week!
ashy	And scissors!
Randra_Loqqet	nope hatch
Randra_Loqqet	it became the new island tours
ashy	I avoid Zephyr.
ashy	It was cool when ti wasn't a changing room node.
hatch	It's full of scoreboards now.
Randra_Loqqet	heh i like how you put that Ashy.
Randra_Loqqet	changing room node.
hatch	There's like 20 of them.
ashy	funzones Yes, let's take all the cool places and junk them up with and changing rooms.
ashy	Well, yeah...
Sasta	purple dragon
Randra_Loqqet	mmm junk !
hatch	Ohhhh WE WANT THE JUNK! GIVE UP THE JUNK!
ashy	I can't believe it's droppable there.
Sasta	can I see?
Lin	see?
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Randra_Loqqet	yea is THERE just braindead when it comes to that stuff
Lin	ohh, ..it belongs to Randra, I think.
ashy	Dugan's Hmmm. I guess DSX forgets I'm the one who undercut flower prices and such.
Randra_Loqqet	yea no kidding.
hatch	What you two doin' way over here?
Lin	hi
ashy	He's selling these not terribly realistic roses for 3000 or something.
Randra_Loqqet	lol yea and he still sells billions.
ashy	Gnomes for 5500.
Randra_Loqqet	MD's funny, i dont think he's bought anything ever.
Lin	I don't know if Hatch has a purple dragon, too, or not
hatch	Nope...it was Randra's.
Randra_Loqqet	maybe like 1 set of clothes.
Lin	lol, ..still is!
ashy	Until the spooky plants, all my trinkets have been 2000 or below, mostly below.
Randra_Loqqet	yea i know
Randra_Loqqet	good deals!
Randra_Loqqet	right. but that rules.
ashy	wanted Well, except for the absinthe. Same deal, though. I to price it up so there weren't a million of them in the game.
Randra_Loqqet	exactly. high price = more exclusive.
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ashy	don't And now I'm selling my boards at like 7000 or 8000. I know what he's talking about.
Randra_Loqqet	the thing is we really could be getting 20k+ for those boards if we wanted.
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Sasta	heyas Ashy
Sasta	nice top
Randra_Loqqet	freddy set the standard.
Randra_Loqqet	flamin' hot sasta
ashy	Kind of reminds me of this one guy... DeadSid.
Randra_Loqqet	i remember DS... havent seen him in a while.
Sasta	ya
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	He begged me for a free coffin board, when I'd just come out with them and I didnt have a lot of cash.
Randra_Loqqet	what a doof.
hatch	Come join us Lin!
Randra_Loqqet	you werent even charging much for em
ashy	He said he'd tell everybody where he got it and talk it up if I gave him one, so I decided to take a chance. Never heard a word from him since then.
ashy	Yeah, like 8500.
Randra_Loqqet	1 sec, selling someone some gear since auctions are hella broked.
hatch	Everything's breaking tonight.
ashy	This has been a pretty bad wek.
ashy	Er, week.
hatch	They even broke Chareve!
ashy	I've got two items that 'This Place' doesn't recognize.
ashy	doesn't I've got a new board which can't be used because There know what it is...
Randra_Loqqet	me too ashy, it doesnt see my pumpkin or jack o lanterns
ashy	Hmmm. Phedre talks about her dragon board That's an exceptional case. It's like *the* exceptional case.
ashy	most Really good model, fairly low price, and the sort of theme people can get into.
ashy	It's not a representative case.
Randra_Loqqet	and she sells multiple colors to rake in double the millions.
ashy	Even I bought one, and I almost never buy boards.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	the red one is too broken for me, but i liked the purp.
ashy	surprising I don't know that it's gonna work out that way, but it's not the first one made a million.
Randra_Loqqet	well i saw the list of the purples and she had already sold like 100.
ashy	You notice they have different heads? it's not just a repaint.
Randra_Loqqet	yea, and the purple has a like back spine thing intead of the head sticky outty things. Plus she fixed the fuckup on the wings.
Randra_Loqqet	hm
Randra_Loqqet	i think THERE took down all dev stuff .. getting buy errors.
ashy	So I guess DSX really wants the plants.
Randra_Loqqet	heh dsx is such a dork. Dont lower your price for him!!!
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	he acts too pompus about bulk sales, i dont think i'm gonna cut him any deals anymore .
ashy	I won't lower it for him, but I'm wondering if I priced them too high.
ashy	Or else people just aren't into it.
Randra_Loqqet	3k is totally reasonable for it, i think its more the funky paz issues. have you sold any at all?
hatch	What item are you talking about?
ashy	Very few.
ashy	Like four or five of each.
Randra_Loqqet	i've noticed low sales on new items too
Randra_Loqqet	my doghouses havent sold too many
hatch	Well it's a long way till Halloween yet.
ashy	Usually by now I'd have sold fifty or sixty.
Randra_Loqqet	yea. weird.
ashy	I'm trying to pull in the Tim Burton crowd. :)
Randra_Loqqet	i noticed that style in it, Ashy. hehe
hatch	The PAZ has reduced the sales on knickknacks.
hatch	You can't decorate around a house anymore.
ashy	Well, yeah, black and white stripes = Burton. :)
Randra_Loqqet	lol yea and the wacky shape.
ashy	Anyway, I don't really care about the money. I care about exposure.
ashy	But in this case I wanted some balance.
Randra_Loqqet	right
ashy	It's interesting that DSX would even suggest this, since he was in on the whole hookah thing.
Randra_Loqqet	yea he's such a hypocrite.
ashy	Where I ended up stating two or three times that I'd let Dark_Viper have all initial sales, which is pretty much *all* sales.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	Because I'm that confident that mine will sweep his, ev even after he's sold a bunch.
Randra_Loqqet	yea.
Sasta	My sales suck
ashy	And if it doesn't, I don't really care much.
ashy	I can give them away. :)
ashy	You need to build,Sasta. :)
Sasta	Ya, so I figurre.
ashy	And even custom boards make up very little of my sales.
Sasta	this is a new pose I've not seen before
Randra_Loqqet	yea..
Randra_Loqqet	some times they take off some times not.
ashy	shoulders Sometimes the figure goes weird and it sort of lifts its instead of breathing.
Sasta	well, looking at it more like Custom stuff for me
Sasta	actually, considering the bikes sell for 27,000 now it looks like, 20,000 to submit one, isn't bad
Randra_Loqqet	yea, its not bad at all.
ashy	*nod* someone made the point that it's cheaper to make your own. :)
Sasta	Ya, I did
Sasta	I'm hoping it's approved soon. Have a catalogue shot of t if you wants to see
hatch	I liked your little logo on that Sasta.
ashy	Yes, please.
ashy	DSX wants 50 cats.
ashy	And a house full of bck issues of TV Guide.
ashy	Ooh, that's tight.
hatch	Like boxes of shit all over your house? Get a cat!
ashy	If you price it right yo ushould do reasonably well.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Sasta	Thanks
Randra_Loqqet	have you guys seen the POO?
ashy	Is it going through approval now?
Sasta	ya. I submit it on Thursday or Friday.. Thursday I think
hatch	The POO?
ashy	Cool. :)
Randra_Loqqet	yes the model of a poo.
hatch	'doh
ashy	Er...
Randra_Loqqet	poo.
ashy	*grin*
hatch	Don't...say iy.
ashy	Watch your step, Hatch...
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	did it place? my zone is so bugged i cant see it.
hatch	Ubu! You bad dog!
Randra_Loqqet	paw
Randra_Loqqet	paw
Randra_Loqqet	wipe ur poo paw on hatch
Randra_Loqqet	paw
hatch	ubu
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	sit
Randra_Loqqet	ubu
Randra_Loqqet	shit
Randra_Loqqet	oh hey did!
Randra_Loqqet	er he lol
Randra_Loqqet	that poo rules.
hatch	fetch
hatch	lol
hatch	ubu
ashy	Your dog has impaled itself in the wall.
hatch	fetch
ashy	Sniff Randra's butt!
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	ubu
hatch	kill
hatch	kill
hatch	kill
Sasta	heh.. now that's bad the Poo
hatch	ubu
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	fetch
hatch	Run into the wall!
Randra_Loqqet	woo!
Randra_Loqqet	smart dawgs
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hatch	ubu
hatch	fetch
hatch	fetch
Sasta	Anyhow, I should sleep, it's getting lots late for me
hatch	ubu
hatch	fetch
Randra_Loqqet	9pm . its like the wee hours.
Sasta	'wave
hatch	See ya Sasta!
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hatch	fetch
Randra_Loqqet	i'm reading that forum of pain.
hatch	ubu
hatch	heel
hatch	lie
hatch	sleep
hatch	Which forum?
Randra_Loqqet	oh the one in pricing about dev wholesale and stabbing dsx in the eyes.
Randra_Loqqet	i just made up that last part. .
hatch	So DSX doesn't want people to make money?
Randra_Loqqet	i dunno what he wants, i think his only goal in life is to stir up shit.
Randra_Loqqet	his arguement is baseless
hatch	I think he wants a Porsche for the price of a VW.
Randra_Loqqet	well yea hatch, he wants one for free.
hatch	sleep
ashy	make He was one of the people who suggested I go ahead and the hookah like I'd been thinking about. :)
hatch	sleep
hatch	So he's a Communist?:)
hatch	Oh wait...no...he's just a jackass.
hatch	He's a mooch.
Randra_Loqqet	right.
Randra_Loqqet	he's all!
hatch	There's economy isn't perfect...but making people turn down potential profit on items they made won't fix it.
Randra_Loqqet	yea, the whole thing is just stupid.
hatch	Everyone has their own idea of what their time is worth...so you get different prices.
Randra_Loqqet	yep.
ashy	Send DSX A Fucking Dollar
hatch	If you don't feel like paying 10K for a hoverboard, then buy one that isn't as pretty...it works the same fucking way.
hatch	That's a better deal than you will get in the real world.
ashy	Oh, remember the chick who wanted a hookah in the first place?
ashy	And then I make one and she's all pissed off?
ashy	When the opacity masks went out on the absinthe set, she started chasing after me, wanting a refund.
hatch	Idiot.
ashy	And it's like, if it were anyone else, maybe I would have...
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	But oddly enough I don't respond well to being slammed when I fulfull a request...
Randra_Loqqet	showed her whos boss.
ashy	So she can take it through help.
hatch	BTW Ashy, have you given any thought to that bar idea?
ashy	I haven't thought about it at all. :)
hatch	No problem.
Randra_Loqqet	btw i probably wont get around to finishing that martini set i was making, so dont hold back on your own on my account.
hatch	Kayla really digs your stuff, so she keeps asking me about it. :)
Randra_Loqqet	if you were that is.
Randra_Loqqet	actually i would say dont hold back anyway LOL
ashy	I haven't been hugely motivated lately.
Randra_Loqqet	me either.
Randra_Loqqet	the one thing i've been working on hit a snag and its like fuck.
hatch	Randra?
Randra_Loqqet	the verts are way over and yes?
hatch	Can I shoot that damn dog?
hatch	:)
Randra_Loqqet	yes, his name is TARGET for a reason.
Randra_Loqqet	LOL
hatch	Target Dog!
hatch	ROFL
Randra_Loqqet	sorry my volume was way down so didnt notice the damn barQs
Randra_Loqqet	and yes, target is what i named him . i was torn between that and Bullseye.
ashy	Hmm, I've never made a cat.
Randra_Loqqet	yes ashy, i think he meant the Neko.
ashy	I made a doll, but it's not for public release.
Randra_Loqqet	i was like "WTF"? then i remembered that neko.
ashy	Ohh, right. That's not even the same thing.
Randra_Loqqet	i know. but its still sort of a ccat.
Randra_Loqqet	LOL hatch
hatch	with You know, I got into an arguement here the other day someone who has been bitching on the forums about dogs getting shot and run over in Zephyr and the Boneyard.
Randra_Loqqet	good, those people piss me off.
Randra_Loqqet	i responded to one of those bullshit pet forcefield posts.
hatch	She thinks There should code a forcefield for the dogs.
Randra_Loqqet	heh
hatch	She said "I should be able to take my dog anywhere I want!"
hatch	And I said "Well, if you ever take a real dog to a real life paintball range...I hope someone fucking shoots it for you."
Randra_Loqqet	LOL
Randra_Loqqet	awesome
ashy	*grins at rejeanne's post*
hatch	Some people got no grip on what's real.
Randra_Loqqet	rej always makes me grin.
Randra_Loqqet	well now. at first her posts were irritating lol
ashy	I'm pretty anti-capitalist at least in conception, but I"m not selling houses or food or something, I'm selling luxury goods.
ashy	I sell vehicles, too, and most of those are below the going rate.
Randra_Loqqet	exactly, there is no *need* for the builder items.
Randra_Loqqet	they're decor
Randra_Loqqet	and certainly not required for having max fun.
ashy	I mean, I'm not taking food out of anyone's mouth.
hatch	"Oh, that buggy costs too much!!"
ashy	I'm not even brainwashing them with ads, because I don't advertise.
hatch	Well then by that POS one that WhiteLight made.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	The problem here is that we're dealing with a lot of spoiled brats.
ashy	Much like real life!
hatch	Exactly.
Randra_Loqqet	yes. people want it all free, with no effort.
hatch	My town is FULL of them.
hatch	I want the best, I want it now, and I don't want to pay for it. Gimme!
Randra_Loqqet	hehe
ashy	Oh, well, I don't know about that.
Randra_Loqqet	GIVE US JOBS
Randra_Loqqet	oh wait work? NO GIVE US MONEY FREE
ashy	It takes considerable effort to become a lobbyist, or a senator...
hatch	Heh!
ashy	You know, giving crap to rich people so they'll pay you to be in charge... that's work!
hatch	ROFL
hatch	Yes, that seems to be the new rant Randra.
hatch	Where's my free bonus money???
ashy	Well, you have to admit that the 'economy' is very lopside.
hatch	Oh indeed.
Randra_Loqqet	yea.
ashy	Lopsided.There's only one profession which pays well, and it pays much better than anythign else.
hatch	Prostitution?
Randra_Loqqet	that is a problem, but i think that given other jobs, lazy fucks still wouldnt do work.
ashy	So you have an extremely wealthy artisan class, and everybody else is poor.
ashy	Well, like this mentor thing.
ashy	What does one do in that?
hatch	Helping newbies, you mean?
Randra_Loqqet	it actually does pay out fairly decently.
hatch	I did some of that.
Randra_Loqqet	yea, the sad part is you dont even have to do any work.
ashy	I heard you get some sort of stipend for mentoring someone.
Randra_Loqqet	you get like 7500T if they return 5 times since you added them to your mentor list.
Randra_Loqqet	It doesnt even track if you did ANYTHING at all to help them.
hatch	Yeah...you can just snag a bunch of names and roll the dice, hoping they come back.
ashy	This isn't really an economy... I mean, it's extremely primitive.
ashy	put And it must by necessity be engineered to make people money from the real world into it,as much as possible. Otherwise the company goes away.
ashy	So giving away money and giving them bogus jobs is counterproducti ve.
hatch	Ya know...#1 complaint about Sims Online is that it's work if you want to have any fun.
Randra_Loqqet	heh
ashy	Hmm. You mean they expect you to play the game.
Randra_Loqqet	right!
hatch	Exactly.
ashy	Try not to pee on yourself1
Randra_Loqqet	well in sims its like sitting around taking a poo or something. i dunno, i havent played TSO, but i know the 'greening' people complained about was a sore spot.
ashy	I have enough trouble with that in RL!
Randra_Loqqet	right, basically your skills degrade if you dont keep up .
hatch	work Your avatar loses points or something if you don't read, and other stuff.
hatch	At least here your skills and gear stay with you.
ashy	money They've substituted that here by letting you throw at it, I guess.
Randra_Loqqet	lol yea. it still takes 'work' to skill up tho.
hatch	Much like RL Ashy.
ashy	I think people are trying to see too many parallels to RL here...
Randra_Loqqet	but now you cant even have all the fun, with the funpass limits.
Randra_Loqqet	Ashy: EXACTLY!
Randra_Loqqet	There_Fun told me and i quote "Real life Sucks"
ashy	I mean, when they talk about not having money and all. uncomfortable You can't starve here, or die, or die of exposure, or even be in any substantial way.
hatch	'nod
Randra_Loqqet	when i was submitting realistic items.
ashy	The economy is driven primarily by luxury items.
ashy	If you just want to do stuff, you can get a cheap buggy and board and such.
hatch	So really, this is more like a fancy resort than a real world.
ashy	Yeah. It's like the Village. :)
ashy	Yes.
hatch	That a Prisoner reference?
hatch	I never watched that. :)
ashy	I'd do Prisoner outfits if I had seen the show in the last five years...
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	How about some Gilligan's Island outfits?
hatch	lol
ashy	Hmmm.
ashy	There's an interesting point about power to be made, though.
ashy	I mean, There started out with power in the hands of its admins, and technically that's where it resides.
ashy	But now there's a wealthy merchant class which has a certain amount of power as well.
ashy	And the question is, do you want a pseudo-socialist system where a government controls everything, or do you want a quasi-capitalist system where you have a few powerful individuals whose temperament you can't really predict?
ashy	On top of the all-controlling government.
Randra_Loqqet	its a tough call.
ashy	It's kind of hard to define the governmental structure here. It's sort of an oligarchy, but the usual power interests aren't here.
Randra_Loqqet	In the end i think THERE needs to have the final say, because it is them who gets the money from accounts, and them who supply the world we use.
ashy	Liek they aren't trying to control and monopolize the markets.
Randra_Loqqet	but yea, the 'ruling class' should basically set the standard. There can always undercut with theirown stuff and shut us down if they wanted ot.
ashy	make they Yeah. And in the end they'll do whatever they think will them the most money. That's long-term thinking, So dont' want to drive people away, either.
Randra_Loqqet	right, THERE cares about the buxx, no question.
Randra_Loqqet	but they cant get bux if they dont have people to spend it.
ashy	There also wants to make a nice place for people, so they'll stay and spend.
Randra_Loqqet	yep
ashy	So they have to balance that, yeah.
Randra_Loqqet	Part of me knows deep down that THERE really doesnt care about the freeloaders like DSX who claim to be for thepeople, they are about users like EASY who spent $2000 on hoverboards.
ashy	Jeez.
hatch	Holy crap.
hatch	I had to read that twice.
ashy	I've only spent $80 total, and $30 of that was my registration.
Randra_Loqqet	easy gives away stuff to noobs.
Randra_Loqqet	yes real bux.
hatch	2000 real damn dollars??
Randra_Loqqet	apparently TOM called him up personally. lol.
ashy	Oh, that's cute. :)
ashy	I like that.
Randra_Loqqet	to say "hey, you havin' a good time" lol
hatch	He must have money to burn.
hatch	So what did TOM say?
ashy	Well, a lot of people in this business have stupid money, Hatch.
Randra_Loqqet	i doubt TOM ever called up DSX and said "hey, wanna whine some more"?
Randra_Loqqet	yea, big bux.
ashy	I was basically rich when I worked at Adobe.
Randra_Loqqet	i've noticed the biggest spenders are women who stay at home with no jobs.
hatch	True...true...
ashy	Well... :)
Randra_Loqqet	the point ashy can price stuff whatever ashy wants to ;)
hatch	See, that's another thing too..and let me ramble about has this for a sec...but why should Ashy who is skilled with Adobe and college training in art have to price her stuff the same as Joe Blow who painted a hoverboard in Microsoft Paint?
Randra_Loqqet	and job blow MS PAINT often prices his boards at 100k claiming limited edition LOL
hatch	Damn straight.
ashy	I don't know if I should get special treatmnt because of qualifications.
Randra_Loqqet	i dont think so either Ashy, the point was there is no one forcing you to set your prices a certain way.
hatch	Well, P.T. Barnum put it best...
ashy	I think of it as, I'm one of the best designers here, in my opinion, so I will just do well on the basis of my designs.
Randra_Loqqet	agreed Ashy.
hatch	Anyone who buys a crap design because it's "limited" is a fool.
Randra_Loqqet	yea hatch, but some people love exclusivity.
Randra_Loqqet	ashy i agree
hatch	*cough* Hoverbike!
hatch	*cough*
hatch	:)
Randra_Loqqet	I think THERE probably expected us to charge 20k+ for the custom boards.
ashy	into you My take is that the profit margin on builder objects takes account that 3D is a much more difficuilt skill to acquire, and have to do the texture as well, and there's a lot more QA to it, and you have to wait longer for it, etc.
ashy	So *if* you'r willing to put up with all that nonsense, then you get the big money.
Randra_Loqqet	right.
hatch	is Ashy, what I meant by calling your experience into the matter that you have every right to consider your "time" more valuable than Joe Blow.
ashy	Yeah, I see what you're getting at. But I hate doing GD professionally so I don't think of it that way anymore. :)
hatch	'nod
ashy	But it's a valid point.
ashy	Like if I was actually charging the going rate for this stuff, I'd never begin to make my money back.
hatch	skill Well the same goes for Randra and anyone else with some pushing pixels.
ashy	I'm like the payoff on their scam to get people to pay to provide content. :)
hatch	Ashy, have you had to spend ANY money on There?
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	Yes.
ashy	You mean RL money? I put in $50 at the beginning. I probably didn't need to, but I dind't realize it at the time.
hatch	'nod
hatch	Heh.
Randra_Loqqet	yea, i put in like $25 to submit all my custom shirts and buggy stuff (personal use)
Randra_Loqqet	then i wasl ike "woo sell stuff"
ashy	I could pull it out if i joined TBux, probably.
Randra_Loqqet	you should join up anyway.
Randra_Loqqet	you can always not sell at any given time.
Randra_Loqqet	then if you want to.. bam.
ashy	There still aren't a lot of people doing models, so we've got a pretty good thing going.
Randra_Loqqet	yea.
hatch	Some folks got the skills and some don't.
Randra_Loqqet	When it goes live we will probably see more. Then again, model makers may not care about this game.
Randra_Loqqet	right.
ashy	DSX's But I could have like twice as much money as I do now if I'd wanted to price my stuff at the going rate. So that's why comments bug me.
Randra_Loqqet	have you sold ANY T?
Randra_Loqqet	or do u have it all
hatch	I wish I could make use of my CAD skills in here, but I don't do 3D work.
ashy	Just back to There when I submit. :)
Randra_Loqqet	hehe
ashy	I've got it all.
Randra_Loqqet	cool. whatcha got then, like 5 mill or so?
ashy	A little over 2.7M.
Randra_Loqqet	oh .. hm. low prices!
ashy	Hrm?
Randra_Loqqet	start ripping people off!!!! lol
ashy	No, I'd have 5M if I was the greed-head DSX makes me out to be.
hatch	rofl
Randra_Loqqet	yea, like me and kittenkat. buncha greedy fucks!
Randra_Loqqet	DOWN WITH DEVELOPER S!
ashy	Bastards!
Randra_Loqqet	hehe
Randra_Loqqet	yes she does.
ashy	Send them to the guillotine!
Randra_Loqqet	yep
hatch	Kittenkat does nice work too. Did you see her Jessica Rabbit outfit?
Randra_Loqqet	she said she also makes more revenue from clothing then models. which is what i find the most amusing.
hatch	I wish KK would make some stuff for guys.
ashy	My opinion is that clothing makers have more sales.
Randra_Loqqet	they do.
ashy	Since you acn use your clothing anywhere.
ashy	At any time.
Randra_Loqqet	right. builder objects are static, limited things. People withn o dwellings have no use for htem.
ashy	I also suspect people impulse-buy clothing more because it flatters them physically, helps their self-image, but I can't demonstrate that.
hatch	Well, the problem with clothes is that you gotta submit like five versions of the same design for all the skin colors.
ashy	If you have exposed skin.
Randra_Loqqet	ashy you are probably right on that count too.
hatch	Most of the big sellers do have exposed skin.
ashy	It's usually vanilla, caramel and chocolate.
ashy	It's surprisingly hard to find stuff in milk.
Randra_Loqqet	milk and van used to be the #1 choices back in the day.
hatch	Milk and latte are big too.
Randra_Loqqet	now its hard to find it, Carmel really picked up.
Randra_Loqqet	i see a ton less latte stuff and less milk stuff these days. Its only the goth style stuff that gets milk.
hatch	I like the caramel color myself...it just looks more natural to me.
ashy	Of course, we and Hatch may be looking at entirely different clothign sets. :)
Randra_Loqqet	true ashy.
Randra_Loqqet	the guy stuff is definitely focused on tan skin. I only know a few guys with milk skin.
ashy	Big monkey boys with tanned chests.
Randra_Loqqet	did you get it hatch
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	Someone did a new barechested shirt for guys that looks all airbrushed and almost photorealistic...looks totally wrong for the avatar.
Randra_Loqqet	ah
ashy	I know what you mean. It's hard for me to find cleavage I don't loathe.
Randra_Loqqet	yes they reallly pushed the "graphic" style at TRLG as how they like things.
hatch	No, I have one of the earlier models.
Randra_Loqqet	i think KK did a good job on this shirt
Randra_Loqqet	looks real and cartoon at the same time.
ashy	Yeah. I wish she'd get on so I can swap with her.
Randra_Loqqet	i could call her on
hatch	I finally got some bare feet too.
ashy	Hmm, bare feet.
Randra_Loqqet	i have bare feet models. I was the first one to submit em actually.
ashy	Hmmm. Only if you don't think it'd be a bother.
hatch	It was only a couple of flipper babies!!!
Randra_Loqqet	i only submitted womens tho.
Randra_Loqqet	guys at the time only had the shoes to submit. By the time they had flipflops, i was sort of out of that market.
Randra_Loqqet	KK is heading to bed Ashy, sorry.. she cant log in at the moment
hatch	Oh, I have a cheap haloween costume for DSX!
ashy	Panhandler?
ashy	Yeah, I'll just catch her whenever.
hatch	Brad from RHPS.
Randra_Loqqet	hey hatch did you ever get that resident evil-ish parasite shirt?
hatch	No...because I never played the game.
Randra_Loqqet	well still the shirt ruled... i dont think it was really a resident evil shirt anyway.
hatch	Wouldn't know what to look for.
hatch	What's it called...I'll try it from the auctions.
Randra_Loqqet	hm
Randra_Loqqet	good Q
Randra_Loqqet	are auctions even fixed yet?
hatch	Featured Auctions are still down...but it seems to be working somewhat.
ashy	Have any idea where I can get a green Spike hairdo cheap?
Randra_Loqqet	hm. nope!
Randra_Loqqet	dove has one tho. heh
ashy	Does she use it?
Randra_Loqqet	yea, for her green forrest pixie outfit.
ashy	I keep putting off buying one in case one comes up in auctions.
hatch	It's part of her forrest nymph outfit.
Randra_Loqqet	yea ashy used to do that too.. then i realized i have millions of T, so who cares if i pay an extra 5k.
ashy	Individual auction pages seem to be broken.
Randra_Loqqet	yea its all hosed.
ashy	Yeah, but I'm only sorta a millionaire. :)
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	2M+ seems = money to me!
Randra_Loqqet	still whats 5k really in the long run
Randra_Loqqet	but hey thats my opinion and i totally know how you feel, i held off buying a lot of shop items for the same reason.
Randra_Loqqet	eventually i just stopped caring.
hatch	Now that you can make your own beanie...someone needs to make a black one that says "Snoogans" on it.
ashy	'backpose
ashy	'leftpose
ashy	'rightpose
hatch	Royko!
Randra_Loqqet	woo!
ashy	'yay
ashy	''yay
Randra_Loqqet	you made that one right?
ashy	'''yay
ashy	Yes. :)
Randra_Loqqet	i didnt bother with a hal costume cuz i still have this
ashy	And it's the only one. :)
Randra_Loqqet	cool =)
ashy	I remember that. :)
Randra_Loqqet	yea, i made this a long time ago.
Randra_Loqqet	i rarely wear it tho. And i only sold 4 of em, most of the people i sold it to were those with 1000s of outfits who never wear it anyway.
Randra_Loqqet	again one of those cases of exclusive buyers - they pretty much bought it cuz it was mega rare. well and cuz it rules but still LOL.
Randra_Loqqet	i sold the top for 12k and noted that it included the entire outfit.
ashy	They need to make more butch clothing for women.
Randra_Loqqet	they need to let us make outfit sets for sale.
ashy	Like I want a suit. And some medical scrubs.
Randra_Loqqet	ashy i think they have those?
hatch	There is a blue suit for women that looks pretty cool.
Randra_Loqqet	i swear i saw someone in scrubs a few weeks ago.
hatch	Even has a bit of cleavage.
ashy	Yeah, they have it for guys.
Randra_Loqqet	ah, there's no womens version eh
ashy	There are 'naughty nurse' outfits. Blargh.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	yea.
hatch	Ooops!
Randra_Loqqet	oopa!
ashy	YOu ever get that?
Randra_Loqqet	did it just dump your clothes?
Randra_Loqqet	its a new bug that came up.
ashy	Ahhh.
Randra_Loqqet	weird.
ashy	It's been happening to me since the beginning.
hatch	If you're wearing an outfit, then change an item and then try to put that outfit on again, it removes the whole thing because you're technically still "wearing" the outfit.
hatch	So it thinks you want to take the outfit off.
ashy	How 'convenient'
hatch	Yes.
ashy	Arrr.
Randra_Loqqet	arrrr
Randra_Loqqet	hatch is now steven segal
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	Wanna buy a monkey?
hatch	lol
Randra_Loqqet	wait he's the dread pirate westly
Randra_Loqqet	wobberts
ashy	has come for you SOUW
hatch	I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts!
ashy	I need a beam saber.
Randra_Loqqet	yes, yes you do.
hatch	As you wish.
Randra_Loqqet	ashy you have quite an array of hairstyles.
ashy	I tend to stick to either this or the flat-top.
ashy	For a long time, just this.
Randra_Loqqet	that one is more "you" IMO.
ashy	Yeah, I know. I have a secret identity.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	secret flattop NINJA
ashy	:)
Randra_Loqqet	is thatone of mecurias?
Randra_Loqqet	yes
ashy	The top? I think so.
Randra_Loqqet	seems her style.
Randra_Loqqet	old skoola
ashy	The 'Clark Kent'.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
hatch	This is my standard look.
ashy	Me too.
Randra_Loqqet	we be old' skoolin' yo.
hatch	I wish someone would make a Dr. Evil suit.
Randra_Loqqet	they need. bad. evil.
Randra_Loqqet	I told merc to make one.
Randra_Loqqet	hm
ashy	Talk to one of the clothing designers.
Randra_Loqqet	ashy could make a mini me model.
hatch	But without a mini-me, it just wouldn't be the same...
ashy	I could do it but I'm just not that skilled at clothing.
ashy	It's a whole different thing.
ashy	I was just thinking that. :)
Randra_Loqqet	;)
Randra_Loqqet	great mindz think alike!
hatch	Yeah, a gnome turned into one?
hatch	That would be funny.
hatch	Damn funny.
Randra_Loqqet	definitely.
Randra_Loqqet	we task ashy with that job!
hatch	Then Ashy can be Frau Farbisina!
Randra_Loqqet	FRAU! FRABISINA!!!!111
Randra_Loqqet	lol
Randra_Loqqet	:D
hatch	ROFL
hatch	send in the GUARDS!!!
ashy	Activate the slow-moving dipping mechanism!
Randra_Loqqet	!!!
ashy	You know, when I burp, I'm really doing something else.
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	For which there is no emote.
hatch	Oh wait...Ashy, turn on your speakers for a sec.
Randra_Loqqet	well there should be one.
ashy	Okay, the stinking speakers are on.
ashy	Then my mother hit me in the head with a table leg!
ashy	I thought I was gonna shit!
Randra_Loqqet	lol
ashy	One night after they added voice, I'm watching up Hatch's avatar sort of gesticulating about, and I started making words to go with it. :)
Randra_Loqqet	LOLOL
hatch	I need an undershirt with spaghetti sauce stains on it.
ashy	So I wrote this long monologue about going down to the cellar to get tomato sauce for Mama so she could whack this guy who was moving in on her turf, etc.
Randra_Loqqet	thats hilarious.
Randra_Loqqet	post it online if you found it.
ashy	I still have it someplace but it was much funnier when I was doing it.
Randra_Loqqet	lol is that it?
ashy	It was pretty long.
ashy	Let me go look.
hatch	Okay...just had to do that bit. :)
Randra_Loqqet	brb i gotta reload THERE< its got the dead window bug.
hatch	K